The Honda Civic (right) turned in front of the Audi allroad (left) and hit it.

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Crumple zone. That's all good, just ask Dale Earnhardt next time you see him.

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Lots of other factors can influence the amount of damage.

We got rear ended in our 20005 Volvo XC 90 -- guy that hit us was in a lowered 90's Accord. Our bumper went over his and through the grill, pushed the engine into the firewall.

$50 damage to the rubber on our bumper. Totaled the Accord, nothing could bring it back.

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unequal application of forces

The Civic has no visibly flat tires should we assume that more probably than not the civic has better tires and therefore is the better car ?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2015 02:29PM by billb.

That Audi probably has more underlying structural damage. I'm assuming that the wheel and control arms/frame took the brunt of the impact in that collision. It looks like there is a nice crease in the inner bumper on the Civic from right where it hit the edge of the wheel. Also, the Civics bumper cover is on top of the car, but looks to be relatively intact, it was probably removed by the tow operator because it was loose. If you threw it back on the front they wouldn't look all that different.

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Seems they may have each been hit in roughly the same areas. Can't say if each sustained an equal percentage of damage by an external exam alone. I was once rear-ended and then proceeded with my journey; I was going to work. Drove it an hour + home later. Ins totaled it; the unibody was bent.

I got rear ended in my '72 Buick Skylark by a Peugeot diesel station wagon. Totaled the Peugeot. Scuffed the rubber surround on my tail lights.

Some are built better than others.

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Crumple zone. That's all good, just ask Dale Earnhardt next time you see him.

That comment is in bad taste, don't you think?

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It is what it is.

A properly designed car is supposed to crumple or total in order to reduce or prevent damage to the occupant.

I'm assuming that the OP's point is that the Civic seems to do a better job of this than the Audi?

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I'm assuming that the OP's point is that the Civic seems to do a better job of this than the Audi?

My point was that it's interesting to see the difference. As others have pointed out, a lot goes into this. I don't think the Civic is any more safe than the Audi. They're far enough apart in age there's no comparable safety data.

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It is interesting. The older Detroit Iron used to kill the driver and passenger but the car just needed to be hosed out and the dents hammered out.

I'm all in favor of a car sacrificing itself to save me.

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It is interesting. The older Detroit Iron used to kill the driver and passenger but the car just needed to be hosed out and the dents hammered out.

I'm all in favor of a car sacrificing itself to save me.

More probably than not they were turned into front load washers

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yes, but those older Detroit Iron cars could survive a mild 0-10 mph crash without 3K in damage. There SHOULD be a way to do that, and still get good fuel economy. I can "bonk" a brick wall at 10 mph, and the only trauma to me is replacing the spilled Super Big Gulp. Maybe scuff the rubber strips on my bumper. Do that same 10 mph "bonk" in a new car, and watch the $100 bills stack up on the desk at the body shop as you empty your wallet paying for the damage.

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A properly designed car is supposed to crumple or total in order to reduce or prevent damage to the occupant.

I'm assuming that the OP's point is that the Civic seems to do a better job of this than the Audi?

The Civic took a head-on shot that caused maximum crumplization (ha!). The Audi took a side shot that caused less crumplization. If the vehicles' roles in the collision had been reversed, the Audi would look like the Civic does now and vice versa.

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"20005 Volvo XC 90"

Just how did you come across a "20005" Volvo? I would imagine those are pretty hard to come by, if not impossible. Does it have a flux capacitor in it?



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The OP (M A V I C) is a big fan of German cars, he does not like Hondas or Toyotas too much . I am not sure if this had anything to do with it. I wonder if he would have posted this picture if the makes were resersed. also that Audi (when new) was probably 2-3x more expensive than a Civic.

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The OP (M A V I C) is a big fan of German cars, he does not like Hondas or Toyotas too much . I am not sure if this had anything to do with it. I wonder if he would have posted this picture if the makes were resersed. also that Audi (when new) was probably 2-3x more expensive than a Civic.

They each have their place. I would have posted the picture regardless of the cars. For example, I think a few years ago I posted a picture of a newer Pontiac GTO having hit a Ford Taurus.

I tend to agree with N-OS X-tasy!'s take. Though I think if the reverse happened, the damage wouldn't have looked the same. That's mainly because other factors like weight play into it.

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Front and side automobile crash performance testing is conducted for good reason - crumple zones behave differently in each of these scenarios.

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I agree with Racerx... The " 5 mph" bumpers are a joke. Touch a thing gently and spend $2k on plastic crap.

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I agree with Racerx... The " 5 mph" bumpers are a joke. Touch a thing gently and spend $2k on plastic crap.

Tell me about it. I tapped an icy snowbank when parking with a 2010ish Chevy Colorado 4x4 rental truck. Spot was a sheet of ice and was almost to a complete stop but it kept sliding about a foot. Couldn't have been going more than 5mph when it hit, was probably less than 1mph as the truck was barely moving. The bumper exploded into a dozen plastic chunks.

Thankfully, it was a base model truck that had the grey plastic non painted bumper and no fog lights. Also thankfully, it was on the second day of a week long rental. I went over to the local Chevy dealer and they ordered in a bumper, I picked it up a few days later and installed it right before I turned in the truck. No one was the wiser and I was only out about $400. I have no idea what I would have been charged if I hadn't fixed it myself, but my insurance deductible was $500, so this was cheaper no matter what.

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Looks like the Civic folded up more, absorbing the impact and would be a safer car for the occupants

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Looks like the Civic folded up more, absorbing the impact and would be a safer car for the occupants

I'm not sure if that's an accurate assumption. The impact wasn't at a very high rate of speed. If it folded up that much at a low speed, there's not as much crumple zone left to absorb a larger impact.

The other thing is, the wagon has probably 1000lbs on the Civic.

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M A V I C, is that your Audi? are you OK?

Nope, not my car. I am OK though, thanks

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Looks like the Civic folded up more, absorbing the impact and would be a safer car for the occupants

I'm not sure if that's an accurate assumption. The impact wasn't at a very high rate of speed. If it folded up that much at a low speed, there's not as much crumple zone left to absorb a larger impact.

The other thing is, the wagon has probably 1000lbs on the Civic.

Yup, all other things (crumple zones) being equal, weight is your ally if you're driving the heavier car. That's the sneaky thing about looking at crash tests, those results are only relative to another vehicle of the same mass.

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That's the sneaky thing about looking at crash tests, those results are only relative to another vehicle of the same mass.

What a silly thing to say.

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And I was off on the weight... I don't know what year the Civic is, but a 2010 comes in at 2652 lbs. That wagon comes in at 4167 lbs.

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