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3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: September 25, 2015 09:22AM
I need to add a new SATA HD (not looking for SSD) for Adobe CC and a Mac OS (TBD) to my MP. My last couple of HDs have been Seagate after a couple of Western Digital fails.

Looking a this Seagate, which looks like a great deal @ $89.99 and supposedly the successor to the Barracuda:

Seagate 3TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST3000DM001)
[www.amazon.com]

or

WD Black 3TB Performance Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5-inch, SATA 6 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache WD3003FZEX for $144.83

[www.amazon.com]

What's everybody like these days?



JoeM
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 25, 2015 09:29AM
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JoeM
3TB HDs - what do we like these days?

Something larger.



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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: Bixby
Date: September 25, 2015 10:04AM
WD Red works for me.



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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: jdc
Date: September 25, 2015 10:05AM
5 TB is the new 3.

Assuming you already have a SSD? OS and apps benefit from a SSD like crazy. Or even better, a PCIe SSD.





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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: September 25, 2015 10:08AM
4TB HGST. Nothing Seagate, nothing 3TB.



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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: September 25, 2015 10:42AM
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bazookaman
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JoeM
3TB HDs - what do we like these days?

Something larger.

Really? I only need to put an OS and Adobe CC on it. I've got all of that on an 2009 iMac with either a 1 or 2 TB HD here at work.



JoeM
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: September 25, 2015 11:32AM
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ka jowct
4TB HGST. Nothing Seagate, nothing 3TB.

agree smiley
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: AllGold
Date: September 25, 2015 11:39AM
Agreed. Unless there is some inexplicable spectacular price difference, go 4TB instead of 3TB. 3TB drives were the ones that were more problematic.



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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: September 25, 2015 11:41AM
Thanks everyone. Just did a bit of reading and I see what you guys mean:

[www.extremetech.com]



JoeM
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: Psurfer
Date: September 25, 2015 01:07PM
Re HGST 4TB HD's, which of these would be best?
The cheapest I saw is the 5400rpm Coolstar model [www.bhphotovideo.com],
NewEgg has a 7200rpm NAS model for $169 w/the same? specs as offerings at Amazon for $189...
[www.newegg.com]
Or?
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: September 25, 2015 01:22PM
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ka jowct
4TB HGST. Nothing Seagate, nothing 3TB.

This. There was a post some months ago that included a bar graph depicting reliability of 3TB HDs for the major manufacturers - Seagate's failure rate was MUCH MUCH higher than the other manufacturers.



It is what it is.



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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: jdc
Date: September 25, 2015 01:30PM
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Psurfer
Re HGST 4TB HD's, which of these would be best?
The cheapest I saw is the 5400rpm Coolstar model [www.bhphotovideo.com],
NewEgg has a 7200rpm NAS model for $169 w/the same? specs as offerings at Amazon for $189...
[www.newegg.com]
Or?

Guess it depends on what you are using it for?





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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: September 25, 2015 01:43PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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ka jowct
4TB HGST. Nothing Seagate, nothing 3TB.

This. There was a post some months ago that included a bar graph depicting reliability of 3TB HDs for the major manufacturers - Seagate's failure rate was MUCH MUCH higher than the other manufacturers.

And in fact it was that exact model of Seagate. There's more than one type of 3TB drive from an individual manufacturer.

FWIW, I have 4 of those 3TB Seagates and after a couple of years of use one has shown a few bad blocks but the others are fine. I'll bet there were a few drive lots which were a lot worse than others.
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: September 25, 2015 03:24PM
This graph is in the link I posted:



They say Seagate 4TBs are now more dependable than WD but not better than HGST.



JoeM
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: September 25, 2015 04:01PM
I need 4TB 2.5" drives. Anyone know when they are going to start dropping in price?
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: The Grim Ninja
Date: September 25, 2015 04:57PM
HGST is generally the most reliable.

A vague, but supposedly large amount of their technology went to Toshiba and should be present in their newer large drives. I bought four 5TB Toshiba drives and have been pleased. The Toshiba drives are often on sale quite reasonably, usually cheaper than the 4TB HGST.
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: OWC Larry
Date: September 25, 2015 05:07PM
Toshiba and HGST... And not that these Toshiba
[eshop.macsales.com]

Are built on and/or descend from HGST technology and production facilities that transferred to Toshiba as part of the anti-trust requirement when WD purchased HGST in late 2011. We use Toshiba and HGST in the the vast majority of our HD based solutions with the exception of a Hybrid SSD based external and the 2TB 2.5" based solutions.... and we do so for very good reasons backed up by our own real world field data at that.



OWC Larry
Other World Computing
[www.macsales.com]
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: September 25, 2015 05:22PM
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OWC Larry
Toshiba and HGST... And not that these Toshiba
[eshop.macsales.com]

Are built on and/or descend from HGST technology and production facilities that transferred to Toshiba as part of the anti-trust requirement when WD purchased HGST in late 2011. We use Toshiba and HGST in the the vast majority of our HD based solutions with the exception of a Hybrid SSD based external and the 2TB 2.5" based solutions.... and we do so for very good reasons backed up by our own real world field data at that.

Thanks for the input Larry. As always, much appreciated when you take the time to chime in. We all know you are very busy. smiling smiley
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Re: 3TB HDs - what do we like these days?
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: September 28, 2015 04:31PM
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Lew Zealand
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N-OS X-tasy!
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ka jowct
4TB HGST. Nothing Seagate, nothing 3TB.

This. There was a post some months ago that included a bar graph depicting reliability of 3TB HDs for the major manufacturers - Seagate's failure rate was MUCH MUCH higher than the other manufacturers.

And in fact it was that exact model of Seagate. There's more than one type of 3TB drive from an individual manufacturer.

FWIW, I have 4 of those 3TB Seagates and after a couple of years of use one has shown a few bad blocks but the others are fine. I'll bet there were a few drive lots which were a lot worse than others.

Another followup for posterity: I have a second 3TB Seagate ST3000DM001 with bad blocks now - 131 bad blocks in 2 clusters affecting 2 files. I have triplicates of all files and copied good versions of the affected files from another backup while maintaining the 2 files located in the bad zones in a quarantine folder. I'll probably do a surface check of this drive every few months or so to see how this progresses. I'm using TechToolPro 8 for this for those interested.
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