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How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 11, 2015 06:38PM
A real gentleman...
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 11, 2015 06:42PM
As if being a gentleman is his career. No crybabies allowed.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: 3d
Date: October 11, 2015 06:47PM
Pitching in high and tight is perfectly gentlemanly as well.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 11, 2015 06:52PM
I'm confused... Isn't the objective to land on the bag?


JoeM
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 11, 2015 07:16PM
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3d
Pitching in high and tight is perfectly gentlemanly as well.


Yeah, but the batter has a chance to get out of the way.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 11, 2015 07:30PM
He will go down as having caused a major baseball rule change. Which is long overdue, IMHO.

I've seen several very severe injuries to infielders from just this kind of play. This is NOT a legitimate runner-slide-disrupt play. This was a darn tackle.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: Pam
Date: October 11, 2015 07:33PM
It wasn't a tackle nor was it a slide. That sort of play should result in ejection, suspension, and fines.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 11, 2015 07:36PM
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Pam
It wasn't a tackle nor was it a slide. That sort of play should result in ejection, suspension, and fines.

Excatly.

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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 11, 2015 07:51PM
I feel sorry for the kid, he's good, but breaking up a double play is as old as dirt. It's part of the game.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 11, 2015 08:08PM
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vision63
I feel sorry for the kid, he's good, but breaking up a double play is as old as dirt. It's part of the game.

Tejada had no chance of turning a double play.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 11, 2015 08:10PM
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freeradical
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vision63
I feel sorry for the kid, he's good, but breaking up a double play is as old as dirt. It's part of the game.

Tejada had no chance of turning a double play.

That was a good thing for the Dodgers. And kind of the point.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: srf1957
Date: October 11, 2015 09:15PM
If Utley comes up to bat in next game/ I think he will learn what high and tight is at the side of his head.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 11, 2015 09:23PM
Two game suspension
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 11, 2015 09:45PM
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freeradical
Two game suspension

They'll appeal that bs. Everybody is trying to sissy up sports.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: polychrome
Date: October 11, 2015 11:03PM
That was a tackle and Utley's done that crap before. Just another confirmation that he's known as a dirty player around the league.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: October 12, 2015 12:24AM
hmm. i think the runner has to be going for the bag and not the fielder, even if he is trying to screw the double play. so, my vote is not cool, and probably the suspension will be upheld. Ty Cobb aimed for the base at least. winking smiley




Hurts like a bastid...
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: RE:up
Date: October 12, 2015 03:11AM
WTH!
Since when Is baseball a full contact sport? That hit was deliberately aimed at the defender who was not in any way blocking the runner's access to the bag. It was neither incidental nor accidental, but a premeditated attempt to viciously knock the other player out of the play (and in this case, the game).

Mr. Utley is lucky the defender didn't perform the Chubby Checker on his upturned visage. After such egregious, deplorable behavior, he should still be picking pieces of cleats out of his shredded face. If defenders are going to be routinely attacked by thugish base runners, they need to start protecting themselves by delivering severe and immediate consequences to the perps.

Let the games begin!

Two game suspension? What a joke.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2015 03:13AM by RE:up.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 12, 2015 06:23AM
The two game suspension might be for his protection, actually.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 12, 2015 09:22AM
Well Mission Accomplished. Baseball has "always" been a full contact sport (you're thinking about Cricket). Always. Now you can't bowl over the catcher who clearly blocks the plate and you soon you must tip your cap before assuming a base and soon you have to lose games by letting the second baseman complete his pirouette. All because it offends people who DON'T EVEN WATCH OR LIKE BASEBALL in the first gd place.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 12, 2015 09:25AM
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sekker
The two game suspension might be for his protection, actually.

Which would be even more p**** since that's how something like that is SUPPOSED to be handled.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: wave rider
Date: October 12, 2015 10:55AM
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vision63
Well Mission Accomplished. Baseball has "always" been a full contact sport (you're thinking about Cricket). Always. Now you can't bowl over the catcher who clearly blocks the plate and you soon you must tip your cap before assuming a base and soon you have to lose games by letting the second baseman complete his pirouette. All because it offends people who DON'T EVEN WATCH OR LIKE BASEBALL in the first gd place.

Not true, new rules make catchers leave a path to the plate for the base runner. The guy that broke Posey's leg went straight for him and not the plate.

=wr=
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 12, 2015 12:04PM
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wave rider
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vision63
Well Mission Accomplished. Baseball has "always" been a full contact sport (you're thinking about Cricket). Always. Now you can't bowl over the catcher who clearly blocks the plate and you soon you must tip your cap before assuming a base and soon you have to lose games by letting the second baseman complete his pirouette. All because it offends people who DON'T EVEN WATCH OR LIKE BASEBALL in the first gd place.

Not true, new rules make catchers leave a path to the plate for the base runner. The guy that broke Posey's leg went straight for him and not the plate.

=wr=

Worse. Now as a catcher, I'm supposed to ole' your way to the plate instead of giving you your God given right to knock the ball out of my glove and try to score.

I don't even want to talk about the joys of the bench-clearing brawl. Not to mention the touch NFL football we watch now.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: wave rider
Date: October 12, 2015 12:29PM
If that is the case, middle fielders should eshew the double play pivot and start stepping on sliding runners with good old fashion steel cleats. Or maybe have the octagon around second and home bases and let the players fight it out to see who is safe or out. While we are at it, no more batting helmets and pads for all those sissies. And if you bump an ump, he gets to stab you with his switchblade.

That macho enough for you?

=wr=
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: vision63
Date: October 12, 2015 12:38PM
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wave rider
If that is the case, middle fielders should eshew the double play pivot and start stepping on sliding runners with good old fashion steel cleats. Or maybe have the octagon around second and home bases and let the players fight it out to see who is safe or out. While we are at it, no more batting helmets and pads for all those sissies. And if you bump an ump, he gets to stab you with his switchblade.

That macho enough for you?

=wr=

It's about being competitive to the maximum. The rules are the same as the rules have been for a long long time. Baseball didn't just start. Safety is fine so long as it doesn't affect the game itself. Why not take away sliding? They get hurt doing that all the time. No diving to catch a ball. They get hurt doing that all the time. People are more than willing, more than ever to change the essence of competition because the moment they glance over to look at some anomaly, express outrage and create a marketing problem for the powers that be. In turn, they slowly degrade the sport itself. Basketball is way worse btw.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: numbered
Date: October 12, 2015 01:07PM
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Basketball is way worse btw.

In basketball of a couple decades ago, bumping someone was a foul. The "let 'em play" gladiator style of the last decades is a relatively new phenomenon.

I am still waiting for someone to call "3 seconds" in an NBA game.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: wave rider
Date: October 12, 2015 05:47PM
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vision63
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wave rider
snip...

It's about being competitive to the maximum. The rules are the same as the rules have been for a long long time. Baseball didn't just start. Safety is fine so long as it doesn't affect the game itself. Why not take away sliding? They get hurt doing that all the time. No diving to catch a ball. They get hurt doing that all the time. People are more than willing, more than ever to change the essence of competition because the moment they glance over to look at some anomaly, express outrage and create a marketing problem for the powers that be. In turn, they slowly degrade the sport itself. Basketball is way worse btw.

I'm calling baloney on this one vision. Baseball has had plenty of rule changes throughout the years and survived. For example:

The ball covering was changed from horse to cow hide. Sacrilege!

The American League adopted the Designated Hitter, forever to be the sissy league of the two.

Performance enhancing drugs were banned, dropping jersey sizes across the league.

The pitcher's mound height was dropped by five inches to tinker with run totals.

[www.baseball-almanac.com]

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Perhaps no other American sport has had the extensive number of rule changes that have occurred during the evolution of base ball. Rarely has one aspect of the game under gone only one change. These changes were due to the following factors. The players and managers learned how to circumvent the rules almost yearly, the players became better athletes which required the game to be constantly balanced between offense and defense and the owners wanted an appealing game to their paying patrons. [www.19cbaseball.com]

[en.wikipedia.org]

A little rule change to stop injury of middle fielders would greatly please the owners who pay the salaries. Utley's slide was dirty, he started his (charitably) slide even with or past second base.

wink smiley

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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: wurm
Date: October 12, 2015 06:01PM
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vision63
Well Mission Accomplished. Baseball has "always" been a full contact sport (you're thinking about Cricket). Always. Now you can't bowl over the catcher who clearly blocks the plate and you soon you must tip your cap before assuming a base and soon you have to lose games by letting the second baseman complete his pirouette. All because it offends people who DON'T EVEN WATCH OR LIKE BASEBALL in the first gd place.

B.S. And I suppose you're fine with a pitcher hurling a 90+ mph fastball an inch from a batter's skull just because he's crowding the plate. And if he gets beaned "Oh well, sorry". Actually, I stand corrected; the pitcher would never apologize for doing that.

I thought baseball's big attraction was strategy and having particular skills. [lybio.net]. If you're an athlete who wants to prove his manhood by inflicting pain on another player, then have the stones to play rugby or football, or try boxing.

And you're right. I DON'T EVEN WATCH OR LIKE BASEBALL in the first gd place. I think it's about as exciting as watching grass grow.



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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: fauch
Date: October 12, 2015 06:03PM
Just saying, if baseball stadiums weren't gun free zones, Tejada might still be playing.... Just saying...
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 12, 2015 07:05PM
We know ALOT more about what happens to players' brains (and bodies) after concussions, which means we need rules changes to protect these HUMAN BEINGS that are PLAYING a SPORT.

'Unsportsmanlike' conduct should ALWAYS be against the rules.

I think Utley's 'slide' was not just taking advantage of loosely enforced rules. It was bad sport.
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Re: How about that Chase Utley
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 12, 2015 08:53PM
Maybe he was wrong and a bad sport and even a @#$%&. But it does seem that all over the web, buttinskies are bringing "internet outrage" to a discussion that should only include baseball fans.






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