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Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 28, 2016 08:38PM
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 28, 2016 08:41PM
Why does he need a factory that big when, I assume, he doesn't sell relatively that much stuff?
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: bruceko
Date: July 28, 2016 10:26PM
Doesn't look that big to me. It is second to the Boeing Everett plant is larger according to Wikipedia. I drive by it a couple of times per month
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: max
Date: July 28, 2016 10:29PM
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Dennis S
Why does he need a factory that big when, I assume, he doesn't sell relatively that much stuff?


He will,



it is not the cars that count, it is the energy storage....
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 28, 2016 10:51PM
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bruceko
Doesn't look that big to me. It is second to the Boeing Everett plant is larger according to Wikipedia. I drive by it a couple of times per month

Article says it'll be the largest building by area in the world when completed.

Even if 'only' the second-largest building, it's still pretty darn big.
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: July 28, 2016 11:27PM
When is Musk going to create a Musk factory?



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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: July 28, 2016 11:38PM
Part of the Grand Plan is for the Gigafactory to produce not only batteries for the Tesla's, but battery banks for Solar Electric systems (ie; Solar City, which Tesla is in the process of merging with), AND, having battery capacity available to sell big batteries to OTHER industries as well. The Gigafactory isn't just "batteries for Teslas".



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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: July 29, 2016 12:10AM
There are those who say that Musk has created a Potemkin Village:

[seekingalpha.com]
[seekingalpha.com]
[seekingalpha.com]
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 29, 2016 12:21AM
606,000 Powerwall units is equal to the peak output of the PG&E Helms Pumped Storage facility. This number of Powerwall units is surprisingly approximately the same cost as Helms when adjusted for inflation ($800 million in 1982). Helms has been running for 30 years, so I guess it wins on long term reliability. It will be interesting to see if Tesla can eventually reduce the price.



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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: July 29, 2016 03:46AM
I was lucky enough to finagle an invitation, so after I visit the factory, I'll post a full report.
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: July 29, 2016 07:24AM
The Powerwall units alone are a huge deal.

Hopefully competitors will enter the market as well.

Up until now if you wanted battery storage for your solar/wind/micro-hydro system you had to 'roll your own' design, usually with golf cart batteries (i.e. not really designed for home use.)
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 29, 2016 07:39AM
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Ken Sp.
I was lucky enough to finagle an invitation, so after I visit the factory, I'll post a full report.

Cool!
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 29, 2016 07:44AM
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Article Accelerator
There are those who say that Musk has created a Potemkin Village:

[seekingalpha.com]
[seekingalpha.com]
[seekingalpha.com]

Not ready to install an app to read a blog, but that statement seems counter to reality - the new batteries need to come from somewhere. If not from the factory, where else are they born?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2016 07:45AM by sekker.
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: mstudio
Date: July 29, 2016 07:48AM
Did anyone else notice that it is in "Sparks" Nevada?
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 29, 2016 07:58AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
606,000 Powerwall units is equal to the peak output of the PG&E Helms Pumped Storage facility. ....

Filliam -the larger point of at consumption storage for peak consumption is that it's a distributed solution and does not stress the 'grid' infrastructure, which is aged and cobbled together in this country (and others).
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: July 29, 2016 08:07AM
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mstudio
Did anyone else notice that it is in "Sparks" Nevada?
On Electric Ave.

An old local saying, "Reno is so close to hell, you can see Sparks"

Reno is actually a decent city with great surroundings.
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 29, 2016 11:10AM
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cbelt3
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Filliam H. Muffman
606,000 Powerwall units is equal to the peak output of the PG&E Helms Pumped Storage facility. ....

Filliam -the larger point of at consumption storage for peak consumption is that it's a distributed solution and does not stress the 'grid' infrastructure, which is aged and cobbled together in this country (and others).

Yes and no. It might be distributed if the utility only allowed so many per substation circuit. Smart Grid investments need to be more than meters that wirelessly report your power usage every day.



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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: July 29, 2016 11:47AM
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sekker
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Article Accelerator
There are those who say that Musk has created a Potemkin Village:

[seekingalpha.com]
[seekingalpha.com]
[seekingalpha.com]

Not ready to install an app to read a blog…

Sheesh…sorry, I didn't realize seekingalpha does that. Some excerpts:

[seekingalpha.com]
"The Gigafactory's footprint stood essentially unchanged for all of 9 months. Yet, 1-2 weeks before the media visiting parties arrived, all construction hell broke loose…

"This is exactly like Potemkin would have done. We can't waste the efforts of those construction lads if there are no cameras around to record them. As a result, we had the same kind of 'construction just in time' as used by Potemkin."


[seekingalpha.com]
"Tesla may be speeding up construction on the eve of the party, but for the past year it has been dawdling at a slow crawl. Tesla is far behind the construction schedule it originally promised…

"What's actually been built? Only Phase 1. Tesla has not even begun to build any other phase. (Scratch that: as Paulo Santos reports today, just in time for the Gigafactory festivities, Tesla has erected a Potemkin village of construction equipment.)"


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…that statement seems counter to reality - the new batteries need to come from somewhere. If not from the factory, where else are they born?

Well, that's the thing—current models continue to use Tesla's 18650 cell variant made by Panasonic. The Model 3 isn't in production yet nor are its new custom battery cells.
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 29, 2016 12:08PM
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Ken Sp.
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mstudio
Did anyone else notice that it is in "Sparks" Nevada?
On Electric Ave.
[www.youtube.com]

Seems appropriate...
SpaceX is on Rocket Road in Hawthorne, California.
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Re: Musk's Gigafactory
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 29, 2016 08:25PM
AA, here's data that says plenty of activity at the Gigafactory last month.

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