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Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: April 06, 2017 07:14AM
In terms of ozone and particle emissions?

Background: we are moving to a smaller office. The office squawker was fine with the new layout for a couple of days then voiced health concerns about being in her words "right on top of" the color laser copier (Xerox latest model) based on her research on the internet. [head hitting keyboard]

1. She would have had at least 5 feet between her and the copier and possibly more depending on how she sets up her desk.

2. The copier won't be doing the amount of copies previously because we've cut way back on the amount of stuff given to sales reps in spite of her insisting that we will be printing "tons of stuff". We don't anymore, period.

3. I googled heath hazards of laser copiers and came up with a wide variety of sources. The oldest was 1998 on the OSHA.gov website and the most recent is 2007. MOST of the papers are from Australia and the UK other than the one OSHA.

4. Most of what I gathered from the papers is you pretty much have to be on top of the copier for long periods of time to be affected (I might be wrong but technology has changed and improved since 1998, yes?)

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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: DP
Date: April 06, 2017 07:56AM
Probably get far more "negative waves" (a tip of the hat to "Oddball") from microwaves, RF, UV, cosmic rays, and other radiation from space than from a laser copier.





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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 06, 2017 08:15AM
ask her what can be done to calm her concerns otherwise move her.

not sure that scientific literature is going to work here.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: billb
Date: April 06, 2017 08:17AM
Our copier-collater that got used a lot had its own space near the door about 20 feet from the closest order taker with three 5 foot plants as a wall.
Another laser printer was in the computer room.

God forbid someone should go to the web for information, they should live in the dark uninformed instead, reading and listening to just CNN and NPR for their daily dose of what to think and believe.



and toner particles are a concern just like diesel exhaust.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: April 06, 2017 08:30AM
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Our copier-collater that got used a lot had its own space near the door about 20 feet from the closest order taker with three 5 foot plants as a wall.
Another laser printer was in the computer room.

God forbid someone should go to the web for information, they should live in the dark uninformed instead, reading and listening to just CNN and NPR for their daily dose of what to think and believe.



and toner particles are a concern just like diesel exhaust.

I would be far more worried about the noise of the printer operation and distraction from people coming to get copies than about the emissions.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: April 06, 2017 08:34AM
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I would be far more worried about the noise of the printer operation and distraction from people coming to get copies than about the emissions.

It's an open room so we're going to get the hum of the server plus the occasional noise of the color copier regardless of the position. The Office Squawker will be printing to it the most I think. I know I won't be doing any major quantities anymore.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: April 06, 2017 08:38AM
Get a good air filter? Maybe $100-$200, plus annual filter replacement.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: April 06, 2017 08:57AM
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Get a good air filter? Maybe $100-$200, plus annual filter replacement.

Good idea. Will float that one as an option for her to investigate herself if and when the issue comes up again - for now the copier has been moved away from her at the other end of the room on the opposite wall.

It's been a long week and I'm at BEC stage with her because of her lack of comprehension (you know it when you see it - that look on someone's face that makes you think you're speaking Mongolian instead of clear concise English). Good thing that there's a bunch of jobs I'm applying for tonight smiling smiley
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 06, 2017 09:01AM
Space for a single cubicle wall partition to block the line-of-sight air currents?

There are lots of industrial products we can't see that are indeed harmful. I don't know if this is one of them. But given the choice, I'd prefer my desk to be somewhere other than right next to the machinery, too.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: April 06, 2017 09:18AM
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DP
Probably get far more "negative waves" (a tip of the hat to "Oddball") from microwaves, RF, UV, cosmic rays, and other radiation from space than from a laser copier.

Thought I was the only one to remember that movie... grinning smiley



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 06, 2017 09:33AM
You can smell the ozone coming from a laser printer when it is printing. Ozone is not a healthy gas, as it produces free radicals of oxygen. Definitive research on safety may be lacking, but it makes sense not to sit right next to one in a business setting for 8 hours per day five days per week, if it is printing more than just occasionally.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: April 06, 2017 09:39AM
Family member had an employee like that who refused to work with computers when the company started switching everything over in the 80s. She was a long-time employee (had been with the previous company, was part of the start-up, etc.) and worked well until the computer showed up.

The accommodated her best they could for a while, offered to send her to classes and workshops; she refused. Would not go near one.

Eventually they had to let her go; they bent over backwards for her (kept finding new work for her, new things to do at the office, etc.) but she wound up going from being a valued employee to being a burden.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: JoeH
Date: April 06, 2017 09:42AM
If you can smell ozone, it is time to replace the filter in the printer. Pretty much every printer made in the last 20 years has an activated charcoal or other filter to capture ozone and the occasional stray toner particles.

As for significant amounts of toner being around, most of the time that can be traced to persons not handling the cartridges properly. Another source is poorly remanufactured cartridges. Get people who will follow directions and have them do the changes.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: April 06, 2017 10:05AM
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S. Pupp
You can smell the ozone coming from a laser printer when it is printing. Ozone is not a healthy gas, as it produces free radicals of oxygen. Definitive research on safety may be lacking, but it makes sense not to sit right next to one in a business setting for 8 hours per day five days per week, if it is printing more than just occasionally.

Plus, toner is plastic and you're melting it to fuse to the page, sending nasty gasses out.

Plus paper-dust, etc. I know from experience that this messes with me during allergy season.

I wouldn't want to sit next to the printer, either.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Cary
Date: April 06, 2017 10:23AM
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DP
Probably get far more "negative waves" (a tip of the hat to "Oddball") from microwaves, RF, UV, cosmic rays, and other radiation from space than from a laser copier.

One of the best war movies ever! The casting was superb, from Donald Sutherland to Don Rickles to Carroll O'Connor to Gavin MacLeod, the characters were amazing.

I still watch it whenever it's on TV.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: DP
Date: April 06, 2017 10:36AM
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DP
Probably get far more "negative waves" (a tip of the hat to "Oddball") from microwaves, RF, UV, cosmic rays, and other radiation from space than from a laser copier.

One of the best war movies ever! The casting was superb, from Donald Sutherland to Don Rickles to Carroll O'Connor to Gavin MacLeod, the characters were amazing.

I still watch it whenever it's on TV.

"Always with the negative waves, Moriarty!"





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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: April 06, 2017 10:45AM
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 06, 2017 10:48AM
Lizbeth-

Your official response depends both on where you are located (state and local employment laws differ) and exactly HOW the squawker has termed their objections, AND IN WHAT FORM. (Writing, email, or just vocalizations).

It also depends on EXACTLY what the manufacturer recommends in their official literature. That is the only LEGAL literature that you should be referring to. MSDS sheets on the consumables, maintenance records (like Ozone filter replacement, etc..) and so forth.

Never ever ever respond officially to Interwebs stupid questions with other interwebs responses. That's the kind of stuff lawyers LOVE to make hay with.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 06, 2017 10:49AM
Voice concerns about her perfume etc.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: April 06, 2017 11:17AM
I guess everyone who has laserjet printers on their desks is going to die.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: April 06, 2017 11:24AM
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Lizbeth-

Your official response depends both on where you are located (state and local employment laws differ) and exactly HOW the squawker has termed their objections, AND IN WHAT FORM. (Writing, email, or just vocalizations).

It also depends on EXACTLY what the manufacturer recommends in their official literature. That is the only LEGAL literature that you should be referring to. MSDS sheets on the consumables, maintenance records (like Ozone filter replacement, etc..) and so forth.

Never ever ever respond officially to Interwebs stupid questions with other interwebs responses. That's the kind of stuff lawyers LOVE to make hay with.

She's just been vocal about it; nothing in writing. NY State and City. I will look up the MSDS for the copier to see what they have smiling smiley Thanks!
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: max
Date: April 06, 2017 11:35AM
Issue her Laser Goggles and an Ozone Mask, all to be used when the printer starts up any printing....
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 06, 2017 12:00PM
FACT: 100% of laserjet users will eventually die

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C(-)ris
I guess everyone who has laserjet printers on their desks is going to die.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: space-time
Date: April 06, 2017 12:01PM
I think those little pins in dot matrix printers are dangerous too, what happens if one falls out and you step on it?
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: wave rider
Date: April 06, 2017 12:51PM
Seems like one of the worst hazards of a color copier is that it shows skin blemishes when doing a butt shot...



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: April 06, 2017 12:56PM
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You guys are killing me!
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 06, 2017 01:17PM
Switch desks with her.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lizabeth
Date: April 06, 2017 01:25PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Switch desks with her.

THEN she'll complain about the noise of the server because my desk is closer to that than she is...the only good solution is to find another job.



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 06, 2017 01:26PM
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C(-)ris
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billb
Our copier-collater that got used a lot had its own space near the door about 20 feet from the closest order taker with three 5 foot plants as a wall.
Another laser printer was in the computer room.

God forbid someone should go to the web for information, they should live in the dark uninformed instead, reading and listening to just CNN and NPR for their daily dose of what to think and believe.



and toner particles are a concern just like diesel exhaust.

I would be far more worried about the noise of the printer operation and distraction from people coming to get copies than about the emissions.

I'm pretty sure this is the real basis for her objections.

billb: Stop being an @#$%&. There is no need to inject your personal views regarding certain media outlets into every thread to which you respond.



It is what it is.



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Posted by: Paul F.
Date: April 06, 2017 01:43PM
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mattkime
FACT: 100% of laserjet users will eventually die

Hey now, we don't know that! We just know that in the past, everyone who has used a laserjet HAS died... We don't know that trend will continue for CURRENT users.



We strongly suspect it, though... ;)



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: April 06, 2017 01:51PM
In my old office gig, I had to spend time near a copier after we moved to a smaller office space. I no longer had a door that I could close. It drove me nuts trying to work and concentrate. One person used to hum the entire time she was making copies. People would chat in that area, or whistle. It was not conducive to productive work.
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Posted by: GGD
Date: April 06, 2017 02:59PM
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Paul F.
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mattkime
FACT: 100% of laserjet users will eventually die

Hey now, we don't know that! We just know that in the past, everyone who has used a laserjet HAS died... We don't know that trend will continue for CURRENT users.



We strongly suspect it, though... ;)

We might discover that Xerox Laser Copiers are the fountain of youth.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: April 06, 2017 03:11PM
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Lizabeth
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Filliam H. Muffman
Switch desks with her.

THEN she'll complain about the noise of the server because my desk is closer to that than she is...the only good solution is to find another job.

Put the server and the copier together? dunno smiley (sorry)



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: April 06, 2017 04:59PM
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Paul F.
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mattkime
FACT: 100% of laserjet users will eventually die

Hey now, we don't know that! We just know that in the past, everyone who has used a laserjet HAS died... We don't know that trend will continue for CURRENT users.



We strongly suspect it, though... ;)

The stats are still pretty wide open on this death thing— there are some 7 Billion people out there who have avoided it so far. Including everyone in this thread! Pretty damn encouraging, I tell you.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: hal
Date: April 06, 2017 05:29PM
I can't stand the smell of a working laser printer. If that was me working within 5' of a laser printer, I'd be in your office within the minute. If there was no way to change the situation, I'd quit.

I'm also a big believer in a good air filter. I think I'd be ok with the air filter compromise.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: bruceko
Date: April 06, 2017 07:46PM
is there a closet or garage the squawker can relocate too?
I think you need to protect the other workers from her verbal pollution.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 06, 2017 09:06PM
is the printer on wheels, up hill from said employee?

i know that would make me nervous!



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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: August West
Date: April 07, 2017 12:29AM
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Chan School of Public Health
Researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Center for Nanotechnology and Nanotoxicology recently assessed 11 common laser printers to see if they emitted nanoparticles during use... Further experiments in Demokritou’s lab found that exposure to the particles elicited an array of unfavorable biological responses at the cellular level, including those linked to the development of respiratory and cardiovascular diseases.

But that doesn’t mean that people should stop printing — just that minimizing exposure to nanoparticle emissions during printing might be a good idea.

ETA: I should mention that these concerns started some time ago with emission of ultra fine particles, this shows a more recent development. Whether someone is a crank or not, doesn't excuse an employer from ignoring concerns. I wouldn't ignore someone complaining about this.



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Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: April 07, 2017 11:02AM
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just CNN and NPR for their daily dose of what to think and believe.



billb: Stop being an @#$%&. There is no need to inject your personal views regarding certain media outlets into every thread to which you respond.
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Re: Talk to me about the health hazards of color laser copiers please...
Posted by: Racer X
Date: April 07, 2017 09:48PM
Oh, my mistake. I though it said color lizard copier.
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