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a Religious question
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 24, 2017 09:35AM
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I have a coworker of Jewish religion. He took 2 days off to celebrate their new year. I sent him a text message on Wednesday evening, I had a work related question. I did get the response last night. He apologized, he said he shuts off the phone during holidays. I am fine with that.
I am curious though how they can live without phone for 3 days. What if there is a true emergency, say some family across the country is in the hospital, you find out 3 days later when you open your phone?
I am curious though how they can live without phone for 3 days. What if there is a true emergency, say some family across the country is in the hospital, you find out 3 days later when you open your phone?
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Robert M
Date: September 24, 2017 09:39AM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Mr645
Date: September 24, 2017 10:07AM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: September 24, 2017 10:18AM
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In many cases, I'm pretty sure that "turned it off" actually means "left it untouched on the charger."
In this fashion, one can see that texts and voicemail have come in and make a choice about whether there's a big enough emergency to justify breaking the rules.
Mind you, some people really do turn everything off. I've known families to put tape on light switches and some flip the breakers off for the sabbath or high holy days.
In this fashion, one can see that texts and voicemail have come in and make a choice about whether there's a big enough emergency to justify breaking the rules.
Mind you, some people really do turn everything off. I've known families to put tape on light switches and some flip the breakers off for the sabbath or high holy days.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: September 24, 2017 10:30AM
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What a fascinating question. If you've ever gone hiking or deep camping, or traveled way out there through say Mali or Laos, or been on the ocean for weeks at a time between islands, it's quite possible to live and actually thrive without email and phone. I get that it's prudent to let family and close colleagues know that you'll be offline for x days. But the experience can be quite beneficial.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: September 24, 2017 10:38AM
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I’ve wondered what the cost in lost sales is, due to the number of days that B & H and Adorama will close their stores for religious holidays.
At my old job, which had quite a few Jewish employees and a Jewish owner (albeit with a background in physics and a large Buddha in his office), people had to use personal days for religious holidays. We all got the major US holidays and Christmas off.
At my old job, which had quite a few Jewish employees and a Jewish owner (albeit with a background in physics and a large Buddha in his office), people had to use personal days for religious holidays. We all got the major US holidays and Christmas off.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: billb
Date: September 24, 2017 10:54AM
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If I want something. From b and h or adorama I wait for them to be open
People still know how to wait ?
If a bar closes at 1 am you have a temper tantrum in the street until they reopen ?
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If a bar closes at 1 am you have a temper tantrum in the street until they reopen ?
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: September 24, 2017 10:55AM
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While sitting without power in the days following Hurricane Irma, I took note that we were eating together, playing games, reading - in short we were a family. As soon as power returned, everyone went their own way.
At some point, I plan to throw the breakers off for a bit to see if that comraderie returns.
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At some point, I plan to throw the breakers off for a bit to see if that comraderie returns.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: archipirata
Date: September 24, 2017 11:01AM
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billb
If I want something. From b and h or adorama I wait for them to be open
People still know how to wait ?
If a bar closes at 1 am you have a temper tantrum in the street until they reopen ?
In our town, yes, they do throw a temper tantrum when the bar closes. Sad but true.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 24, 2017 11:04AM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 24, 2017 11:07AM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 24, 2017 11:20AM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 24, 2017 11:37AM
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ka jowct
I’ve wondered what the cost in lost sales is, due to the number of days that B & H and Adorama will close their stores for religious holidays.
My guess would be none. IIRC, you can still place an order when they're closed, but it does not get processed until the next day.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 24, 2017 11:49AM
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freeradical
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ka jowct
I’ve wondered what the cost in lost sales is, due to the number of days that B & H and Adorama will close their stores for religious holidays.
My guess would be none. IIRC, you can still place an order when they're closed, but it does not get processed until the next day.
IIRC the web site does not you take orders on Saturdays and other Jewish holidays. Which I do not understand since everything is automated, there is no one there to "take orders". it's all done by the server.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 24, 2017 12:21PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 24, 2017 12:30PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: RE:up
Date: September 24, 2017 12:46PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: tenders
Date: September 24, 2017 01:14PM
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B&H lets you put items in your cart from 6:30pm Friday until 8:30pm Saturday, but not check out until those hours have passed.
My guess is that they don’t lose much business online from this policy, and what they might give up from the retail store they get back on Sunday. And if they do lose something: so what. They gained something at home.
I have a lot of respect for the Jews, Mormons, and Amish who have put stakes in the ground and said that there are certain work and technology distractions that interfere with family and personal harmony and that simply must be walled off from time to time.
My guess is that they don’t lose much business online from this policy, and what they might give up from the retail store they get back on Sunday. And if they do lose something: so what. They gained something at home.
I have a lot of respect for the Jews, Mormons, and Amish who have put stakes in the ground and said that there are certain work and technology distractions that interfere with family and personal harmony and that simply must be walled off from time to time.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: September 24, 2017 02:14PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: September 24, 2017 04:08PM
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Perspective: in my long life, I've only had these phones a very short time. While I use mine as a tool, if it fell in the ocean and I could never have another one, no serious issue.
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Now I wouldn't want to be within 400 - 500 yards of one of them nuclear bombs when it goes off! WW1 Vet Old Man
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If idiots could fly, this place would be an airport. And I'd be a TSA agent.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: September 24, 2017 04:41PM
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I've had my iPhone about two and a half years, and would go crazy without it, mainly because I'm still working and transit apps have made a huge difference in my work life. I can maximize my time at a location when I know when the next bus is coming. The MTA Bus Time app is not perfect, but most of the time, it's insanely useful. Another app alerts me to the typical weekend track work follies in the subway system. I don't need the ferry app often, but that is also very helpful, although the realtime updates don't refresh as often as I'd like. With that app, I also purchase the ferry tickets.
It's also easier to keep on top of things with clients now that they can text me.
I'd have gotten an iPhone much earlier if I could have gotten a decent plan with it.
It's also easier to keep on top of things with clients now that they can text me.
I'd have gotten an iPhone much earlier if I could have gotten a decent plan with it.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 24, 2017 07:19PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 24, 2017 07:57PM
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If it's life or death, the friends or family of the person in the hospital can try to contact someone near you to come and let you know. Just about any rule can be broken in case of life-threatening emergencies.Quote
space-time
What if there is a true emergency, say some family across the country is in the hospital, you find out 3 days later when you open your phone?
But the point about hiking and camping is a good one. I imagine from time to time people emerge from the woods and learn terrible news. We all had to do like that for most of history.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: morlock
Date: September 24, 2017 08:24PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 24, 2017 10:00PM
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ka jowct
I've had my iPhone about two and a half years, and would go crazy without it, mainly because I'm still working and transit apps have made a huge difference in my work life. I can maximize my time at a location when I know when the next bus is coming. The MTA Bus Time app is not perfect, but most of the time, it's insanely useful. Another app alerts me to the typical weekend track work follies in the subway system. I don't need the ferry app often, but that is also very helpful, although the realtime updates don't refresh as often as I'd like. With that app, I also purchase the ferry tickets.
It's also easier to keep on top of things with clients now that they can text me.
I'd have gotten an iPhone much earlier if I could have gotten a decent plan with it.
If you are observing Rosh Hashanah, you ain't doing any of what you mentioned. You are at services, visiting relatives and having kugel with dinner. Therefore, no need for the phone.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Janit
Date: September 24, 2017 11:18PM
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$tevie
If it's life or death, the friends or family of the person in the hospital can try to contact someone near you to come and let you know. Just about any rule can be broken in case of life-threatening emergencies.Quote
space-time
What if there is a true emergency, say some family across the country is in the hospital, you find out 3 days later when you open your phone?
The rules include the principle of Pikuach Nefesh, by which certain rules may be suspended in order to "save a life." In fact it is required to break these rules if saving a life necessitates it. This covers actions in an emergency on the Sabbath or other holidays, and even extends to the fact that someone who is ill is NOT allowed to fast on Yom Kippur.
The rabbis spent centuries arguing about the rules (and still do), so of course there are also rules about how and when to break the rules.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2017 11:19PM by Janit.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Janit
Date: September 24, 2017 11:20PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 25, 2017 09:47AM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Robert M
Date: September 25, 2017 09:55AM
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Hi everyone,
One thing I can say is that a business which doesn't account for the holidays is _very_ foolish. Meaning, they need to have something in place for responding to customer inquiries in an appropriate manner. And, above all, don't have an attitude with customers who call during the holidays. I've dealt with it numerous times over the years.
You'd think the owners would have a clue that the world doesn't stop because you're observing a holiday. Common sense would dictate these people would act like professionals and handle the situation in an appropriate manner. Yet, all too many times, they don't and I can say with certainty they have lost business as a result.
Robert
One thing I can say is that a business which doesn't account for the holidays is _very_ foolish. Meaning, they need to have something in place for responding to customer inquiries in an appropriate manner. And, above all, don't have an attitude with customers who call during the holidays. I've dealt with it numerous times over the years.
You'd think the owners would have a clue that the world doesn't stop because you're observing a holiday. Common sense would dictate these people would act like professionals and handle the situation in an appropriate manner. Yet, all too many times, they don't and I can say with certainty they have lost business as a result.
Robert
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: September 25, 2017 10:01AM
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$tevie
But the point about hiking and camping is a good one. I imagine from time to time people emerge from the woods and learn terrible news. We all had to do like that for most of history.
When I was in the Navy, you had to make a choice regarding tragic news. Submarines go up to get news occasionally. If a death in the family or something else "bad" happened, you were either informed, or not informed, based on the choice you registered.
Because the mission continued, regardless.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 25, 2017 11:28AM
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Lux Interior
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$tevie
But the point about hiking and camping is a good one. I imagine from time to time people emerge from the woods and learn terrible news. We all had to do like that for most of history.
When I was in the Navy, you had to make a choice regarding tragic news. Submarines go up to get news occasionally. If a death in the family or something else "bad" happened, you were either informed, or not informed, based on the choice you registered.
Because the mission continued, regardless.
both are good examples, thanks for sharing.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: raz
Date: September 25, 2017 12:07PM
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Robert M
One thing I can say is that a business which doesn't account for the holidays is _very_ foolish. Meaning, they need to have something in place for responding to customer inquiries in an appropriate manner. And, above all, don't have an attitude with customers who call during the holidays. I've dealt with it numerous times over the years.
You'd think the owners would have a clue that the world doesn't stop because you're observing a holiday. Common sense would dictate these people would act like professionals and handle the situation in an appropriate manner. Yet, all too many times, they don't and I can say with certainty they have lost business as a result.
Robert
Perhaps they value their religious beliefs over money?
Customers can decide for themselves whether the business should be patronized if the owners are not available 24/7.
Consider Chik-Fil-A which is closed Sundays.
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Robert M
Date: September 25, 2017 12:16PM
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Raz,
It has nothing to do with money. It's about doing right by your customers. Chik-fil-A is closed on Sundays. They make sure their customers are well aware of their hours of operation. No doubt, if you call, you'll get a message with the appropriate information.
How difficult is it to configure an autoresponder for an email system and an appropriate outgoing message on a voicemail system? Not difficult at all. We're not talking rocket science here.
Robert
It has nothing to do with money. It's about doing right by your customers. Chik-fil-A is closed on Sundays. They make sure their customers are well aware of their hours of operation. No doubt, if you call, you'll get a message with the appropriate information.
How difficult is it to configure an autoresponder for an email system and an appropriate outgoing message on a voicemail system? Not difficult at all. We're not talking rocket science here.
Robert
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: raz
Date: September 25, 2017 01:07PM
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Re: a Religious question
Posted by: Robert M
Date: September 25, 2017 01:12PM
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Raz,
Exactly. I've dealt with businesses that don't offer any notification and don't respond to calls and emails and leave their client base in limbo. That's an issue. When a business gives an attitude when inquiring about the lack of response, that's when it becomes totally unacceptable.
Robert
Exactly. I've dealt with businesses that don't offer any notification and don't respond to calls and emails and leave their client base in limbo. That's an issue. When a business gives an attitude when inquiring about the lack of response, that's when it becomes totally unacceptable.
Robert
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