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Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: bhaveshp
Date: January 02, 2018 06:48PM
My old Mac SE/30 died a few years back (still have it though). A neighbor was selling this one via Nextdoor and I grabbed it for $100.

Some history behind this - she finally convinced her husband to get rid of some of his hoard. Her husband previously worked at NeXT and Adobe. Of course, my wife groaned when she saw this in the house :-)

Anyway this one is in great physical shape 10/10 and Flying Toasters works as well as it ever did. It'll sit on a corner of my desk and probably get booted up once a year.




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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: January 02, 2018 07:00PM
damn - very jealous - Congratulations!
After my only-somewhat-successful attempt to get the Mac Plus online the past few days, my next thought was to acquire a SE/30 - but they seem to be fetching quite a premium on ebay at the moment if they're in bootable condition.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: stephen
Date: January 02, 2018 08:12PM
Love it.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: January 02, 2018 08:51PM
A Swedish friend had one when they were new. He put in 5 MB of RAM! I told him he'd never need that much, but good to have...smiley-excited001



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: January 02, 2018 09:04PM
Nice ! My SE/30 was totally tricked out... max RAM, a Daystar 68040 accelerator, and a Radius Picot color card and monitor. I used it until about 97... used to log into DealMax starting in 1994 or so with dialup. I sold the whole kit and kaboodle to a coworker in 98.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: p8712
Date: January 02, 2018 09:11PM
Recap it before it kills itself.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: January 02, 2018 09:16PM
Nice. I still wish I had grabbed a couple of the Macs that were not taken along when my old employer moved to a smaller office space. One was a Mac II that had been upgraded with a IIfx logic board. It was routing print jobs to an Appletalk-connected printer. An SE was also left behind.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: Acer
Date: January 02, 2018 09:43PM
LEA *cough**hack**spit*DER!old fogey smiley
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: gabester
Date: January 02, 2018 09:49PM
Nice legacy Leader acquisition!
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: January 02, 2018 11:08PM
My two SEs still run, but not often. I did let grandkids play with Lode Runner, Crystal Quest, and Dark Castle last summer. Worked fine!

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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 02, 2018 11:49PM
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is. How many open SIM slots? It can take 128 MB, but can only use that much with the right System and Extensions. I would put at least 7.1 on it unless your preferred software requires 6.0.5.



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: January 03, 2018 06:08AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is.

The IIci would give it a run for its money.



It is what it is.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: January 03, 2018 07:08AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is.

The IIci would give it a run for its money.

So would my IIfx.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: January 03, 2018 07:46AM
Very nice. My first Mac, purchased in either 1989 or '90 (I can't remember which), got me through college and grad school and a good chunk of my first book before I sold it. By far the best of the black and white original form factor Macs.

I picked up another from a Forumite (either this one or the old Dealmac forum, again I can't remember which), but the monitor won't come on, probably needs a cap kit. Never got around to doing the repair work, so it sits forlornly on a shelf eyeing my old shoebox full of floppies...
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: January 03, 2018 08:59AM
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p8712
Recap it before it kills itself.
Seconded. There are recapping services available on eBay.

Replace the battery also.
Leaking electrolytics (WILL happen, and CAN ruin a motherboard) and exploded/leaking battery can destroy one of these beauties.

Symptoms of leaking electrolytic capacitors include: 1) Having difficulty booting up - needing to switch off and on again to get it booting, 2) Won't boot - screen has vertical lines 3) Quiet sound.

I've personally recapped about 10 of these with complete resolution of the symptoms above, and have had them sitting in my closet for the past 5 years. Great little machines for running several years' worth of 680x0 software, especially when equipped with a 50MHz 030 or 40MHz 040 processor and color video card. My wife wants me to sell 9 of them on eBay, but it's fun having $45,000 worth of SE/30's purchased for between $10 and $50 each.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2018 09:00AM by S. Pupp.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: p8712
Date: January 03, 2018 10:11AM
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S. Pupp
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p8712
Recap it before it kills itself.
Seconded. There are recapping services available on eBay.

Replace the battery also.
Leaking electrolytics (WILL happen, and CAN ruin a motherboard) and exploded/leaking battery can destroy one of these beauties.

Symptoms of leaking electrolytic capacitors include: 1) Having difficulty booting up - needing to switch off and on again to get it booting, 2) Won't boot - screen has vertical lines 3) Quiet sound.

I've personally recapped about 10 of these with complete resolution of the symptoms above, and have had them sitting in my closet for the past 5 years. Great little machines for running several years' worth of 680x0 software, especially when equipped with a 50MHz 030 or 40MHz 040 processor and color video card. My wife wants me to sell 9 of them on eBay, but it's fun having $45,000 worth of SE/30's purchased for between $10 and $50 each.

PM me if you ever need to unload one! I'd only buy a recapped one nowadays.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: January 03, 2018 10:25AM
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p8712
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S. Pupp
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p8712
Recap it before it kills itself.
Seconded. There are recapping services available on eBay.

Replace the battery also.
Leaking electrolytics (WILL happen, and CAN ruin a motherboard) and exploded/leaking battery can destroy one of these beauties.

Symptoms of leaking electrolytic capacitors include: 1) Having difficulty booting up - needing to switch off and on again to get it booting, 2) Won't boot - screen has vertical lines 3) Quiet sound.

I've personally recapped about 10 of these with complete resolution of the symptoms above, and have had them sitting in my closet for the past 5 years. Great little machines for running several years' worth of 680x0 software, especially when equipped with a 50MHz 030 or 40MHz 040 processor and color video card. My wife wants me to sell 9 of them on eBay, but it's fun having $45,000 worth of SE/30's purchased for between $10 and $50 each.

PM me if you ever need to unload one! I'd only buy a recapped one nowadays.

me too!
I very much would like to get a SE/30 onto the IntarWebs - I have a feeling it would be much more usable than the Mac Plus I've got going - it could probably run much newer browsers and actually be useful.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: bhaveshp
Date: January 03, 2018 11:47AM
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S. Pupp
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p8712
Recap it before it kills itself.
Seconded. There are recapping services available on eBay.

Replace the battery also.
Leaking electrolytics (WILL happen, and CAN ruin a motherboard) and exploded/leaking battery can destroy one of these beauties.

Symptoms of leaking electrolytic capacitors include: 1) Having difficulty booting up - needing to switch off and on again to get it booting, 2) Won't boot - screen has vertical lines 3) Quiet sound.

I've personally recapped about 10 of these with complete resolution of the symptoms above, and have had them sitting in my closet for the past 5 years. Great little machines for running several years' worth of 680x0 software, especially when equipped with a 50MHz 030 or 40MHz 040 processor and color video card. My wife wants me to sell 9 of them on eBay, but it's fun having $45,000 worth of SE/30's purchased for between $10 and $50 each.

Pretty sure the symptoms you describe are what happened to my older SE/30. Please PM me if you'd be interested to recap another. I'll also check out the eBay services.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: bhaveshp
Date: January 03, 2018 11:50AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is. How many open SIM slots? It can take 128 MB, but can only use that much with the right System and Extensions. I would put at least 7.1 on it unless your preferred software requires 6.0.5.

I haven't yet cracked it open, but it only has 2 MB of RAM and 6.0.5 currently. My older one has 8 MB IIRC and an internal ethernet card. I'm tempted to move over the RAM and ethernet card into the working one.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 03, 2018 12:57PM
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mrlynn
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is.

The IIci would give it a run for its money.

So would my IIfx.

The IIci wasn't an AIO. It did have 32 bit clean ROMs. The IIfx was wicked fast but it had SCSI Voodoo. smiling smiley 2 GB of RAM was a great option back then but I didn't know anybody that spent the $48k to install it.



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: maco
Date: January 03, 2018 01:27PM


I just fired this one up. I have to figure out where I put the external HD's for it. I used this computer for years. This SE/30 has a color video card. I have two more SE/30's, no color cards. They do have ethernet cards.



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 03, 2018 01:43PM
....not critical but is that even worth $100....???



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: 3d
Date: January 03, 2018 02:16PM
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S. Pupp
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p8712
Recap it before it kills itself.
Seconded. There are recapping services available on eBay.

Replace the battery also.
Leaking electrolytics (WILL happen, and CAN ruin a motherboard) and exploded/leaking battery can destroy one of these beauties.

What keywords do i search under for recapping services on ebay?
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: January 03, 2018 02:28PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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mrlynn
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is.

The IIci would give it a run for its money.

So would my IIfx.

The IIci wasn't an AIO. It did have 32 bit clean ROMs. The IIfx was wicked fast but it had SCSI Voodoo. smiling smiley 2 GB of RAM was a great option back then but I didn't know anybody that spent the $48k to install it.

No one said anything about it needing to be an AIO to be considered one of the greatest Macs.

Even if the IIfx were the greatest ever, at $10,000 per next to no one was able to buy one to find out.



It is what it is.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: btfc
Date: January 03, 2018 02:29PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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mrlynn
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is.

The IIci would give it a run for its money.

So would my IIfx.

The IIci wasn't an AIO. It did have 32 bit clean ROMs. The IIfx was wicked fast but it had SCSI Voodoo. smiling smiley 2 GB of RAM was a great option back then but I didn't know anybody that spent the $48k to install it.

Years ago, I was cleaning out a client's old Mac pile and found a $24,000 RAM invoice for a Mac II. I still have a set of those RAM daughtercards.



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: JPK
Date: January 03, 2018 03:33PM
When I upgraded my Mac SE from 1mb ram to 4mb chips were $249/mb and my Ehman zfp 10mb hard drive cost me $999.

Using those numbers my upgraded Mac Pro 3,1 with 32gb ram and 4 2tb drives is worth:

(30518 * 249/mb) = $7.6 million - memory
(8,388,608 * $100/mb) $838 millon - drive storage

Wow! I guess that makes me a 1%er?

JPK
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: January 03, 2018 03:53PM
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JPK
When I upgraded my Mac SE from 1mb ram to 4mb chips were $249/mb and my Ehman zfp 10mb hard drive cost me $999.

Using those numbers my upgraded Mac Pro 3,1 with 32gb ram and 4 2tb drives is worth:

(30518 * 249/mb) = $7.6 million - memory
(8,388,608 * $100/mb) $838 millon - drive storage

Wow! I guess that makes me a 1%er?

JPK

I can actually top that, by quite a bit (no pun intended).

In 1978 we upgraded an original TRS-80 Model I from 4K to 16K, for $199 installed. It was a straight chip swap and we didn't get to keep the prior 4K chips. That's about $12/K, at that rate a 1MB upgrade (if it even existed in 1978) would have cost $12,736 (at 1024K per MB). That would add up to $101,888,000 to get to the puny 8GB (at 1000MB/GB) in my current desktop.

I doubt anybody can accurately calculate the storage difference from a Realistic cassette deck to a 2TB hard drive, though...
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 03, 2018 03:59PM
I remember when my work partner went from an SE to an SE/30. The latter was wicked fast.

wink smiley
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: January 03, 2018 10:49PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Filliam H. Muffman
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mrlynn
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Filliam H. Muffman
Pretty much the best 68K machine there is.

The IIci would give it a run for its money.

So would my IIfx.

The IIci wasn't an AIO. It did have 32 bit clean ROMs. The IIfx was wicked fast but it had SCSI Voodoo. smiling smiley 2 GB of RAM was a great option back then but I didn't know anybody that spent the $48k to install it.

No one said anything about it needing to be an AIO to be considered one of the greatest Macs.

Even if the IIfx were the greatest ever, at $10,000 per next to no one was able to buy one to find out.

I got mine used in the early '90s; can't remember the price, but probably less than $2k. I had been using my souped-up (20mHz accelerator) SE, so the IIfx was quite something. Some years later I got a second one from a 68kMLA member with 16k of RAM. My intent was to combine the two (the first had some problem—can't recall what now) to get one working, but I was using my blue G3 by then and ran out of time for a hobby project. The two are still sitting in a closet.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: January 04, 2018 01:36PM
“What keywords do i search under for recapping services on ebay?”

“SE/30 recap” should do it.
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 04, 2018 02:20PM
....well, busta'.....cap.....in that.....



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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: January 05, 2018 07:04AM
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pdq
I remember when my work partner went from an SE to an SE/30. The latter was wicked fast.

wink smiley

Most of my project group peers in college had SEs at that time. They were seriously jealous of my SE/30's FORTRAN compiler speed. old fogey smiley
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Re: Bought a Mac SE/30 today
Posted by: abevilac
Date: January 13, 2018 03:33PM
Are you interested in a Micron Xceed video card for this machine???
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