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One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 05, 2018 12:13PM
[www.washingtonpost.com]

“The researchers then clamped each student’s head into place, and used an Eyelink 1000 to record where they looked as they silently read 20 paragraphs. The paragraphs were written in various styles: one-spaced, two-spaced,  and strange combinations like two spaces after commas,  but only one after periods.  And vice versa, too.

And the verdict was: two spaces after the period is better.  It makes reading slightly easier.  Congratulations, Yale University professor Nicholas A. Christakis.  Sorry, Lifehacker.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 05, 2018 12:17PM
Read the paper if you want to know the outcome. Comprehension was not changed. They used a large 14 uniform spacing font to showcase the difference.

And still it didn’t really matter.

Changing the font / contrast would be far more impressive results.

The actual result is that it doesn’t really make a difference to most readers.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: May 05, 2018 12:22PM
Sounds like bovine feces to me.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: May 05, 2018 12:29PM
Two.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 05, 2018 12:29PM
.....if you want to marry it, give it all the space that it needs.......it will eventually come back to you.....


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 05, 2018 12:33PM
One.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: May 05, 2018 12:37PM
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Dennis S
One.

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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: May 05, 2018 12:39PM
erggghhhh.


damnittt


wtf?


period.


space.

up theirz!!
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: May 05, 2018 12:41PM
I’m so sick of seeing that double space crap in proportional type. It’s a typewriter convention that needs to freaking vanish.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: wave rider
Date: May 05, 2018 12:49PM
One.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: May 05, 2018 12:51PM
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ka jowct
I’m so sick of seeing that double space crap in proportional type. It’s a typewriter convention that needs to freaking vanish.

I still see people using multiple spaces to center text in MS Word!!!


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 05, 2018 12:54PM
They demonstrated one of the many exceptions to the one-space rule.

There's little or no debate that two spaces is acceptable when using a monospaced font.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 05, 2018 01:42PM
I'm down to one.

I've done two after a period forever, since my underwood days. Most forum software seems to remove the extra space anyway.

Now that 'extra' space looks really odd.





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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: billb
Date: May 05, 2018 01:48PM
Boy I hope that extra space at the end of this sentence helps the slow readers comprehend.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: jdc
Date: May 05, 2018 02:16PM
One.

Ive set 10,000s of thousands of pages of type. never once used 2 spaces. Pre computer and post computer days. I learned to type on a Selectric, and I sucked. Still do 30 years later.

Outdated test using an outdated font with the wrong test subjects.

Im sure the author, and everyone else who is saying "I told you so!" learned to type on some sort of a typewriter, as opposed to a 20 year old computer.




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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 05, 2018 02:45PM
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jdc
One.

Ive set 10,000s of thousands of pages of type. never once used 2 spaces. Pre computer and post computer days. I learned to type on a Selectric, and I sucked. Still do 30 years later.

Outdated test using an outdated font with the wrong test subjects.

Im sure the author, and everyone else who is saying "I told you so!" learned to type on some sort of a typewriter, as opposed to a 20 year old computer.

I'm with you. But in my science circles, this issue has a lot of passion behind those who insist on two spaces. They judge those who use a single space as untrained and poorly educated, then assuming the results being described are also poorer than those written by someone with 2 spaces. It's absurd.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 05, 2018 03:24PM
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ka jowct
I’m so sick of seeing that double space crap in proportional type. It’s a typewriter convention that needs to freaking vanish.

Exactly, it is the convention for monospaced type like that used by typewriters. For proportional type the usual space after the end of a sentence is an em-space as compared to an en-space between words. However for justified type those spaces are the minimum, and vary as needed. The wider space provided by the em-space serves the same purpose as the double space for fixed width type.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: May 05, 2018 04:00PM
The first thing I do when i receive a Word doc to use for my Indesign layouts is find all double spaces and replace with single spaces. I cannot believe people are still doing this.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: May 05, 2018 04:20PM
wedon'tneednostinkin'spaces


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 05, 2018 04:42PM
....so after sentencing a criminal, you want a space.....for a pregnant pause.........??


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: May 05, 2018 04:52PM
"the test subjects read paragraphs in Courier New, a fixed-width font"

Two space for fixed-width is not the debate. This test proves nothing new.

Not only that, but running a multivariate test with 60 subjects is not enough.



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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: rz
Date: May 05, 2018 04:57PM
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The first thing I do when i receive a Word doc to use for my Indesign layouts is find all double spaces and replace with single spaces. I cannot believe people are still doing this.

Wow, sounds like an incredible waste of time to me.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 05, 2018 05:14PM
I like the affectation of a single space on either side of punctuation.

Makes me laugh, along with multiple exclamation points.





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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 05, 2018 05:20PM
Space Time says we need one Space, but we could use more Time.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: D-Rod
Date: May 05, 2018 05:35PM
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rz
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bazookaman
The first thing I do when i receive a Word doc to use for my Indesign layouts is find all double spaces and replace with single spaces. I cannot believe people are still doing this.

Wow, sounds like an incredible waste of time to me.

I’ve had to do this all the time. It is no problem at all. Just run find and replace in Indesign and it does your whole document in seconds. Then run it again until it doesn’t find anymore.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: sunfalcon
Date: May 05, 2018 06:01PM
Learned to type in HS on a typewriter. It's been two for me for 30 years.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 05, 2018 06:11PM


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: May 05, 2018 06:33PM
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ka jowct
I’m so sick of seeing that double space crap in proportional type. It’s a typewriter convention that needs to freaking vanish.

Bingo, we have a winner!


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 05, 2018 07:20PM
I use one. Two doesn't bother me if you want to do it. Just don't do this.....
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: May 05, 2018 07:25PM
Spanish needs to cut it out with the double exclamation and question marks.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 05, 2018 07:26PM
....the space......between......


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Todd's keyboard
Date: May 05, 2018 08:09PM
Typing two spaces when using a proportional font makes as much sense as using a stirrup to mount an automobile.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: May 05, 2018 09:46PM
One. The Mac is not a typewriter.

(Thanks, Robin.)

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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: A-Polly
Date: May 05, 2018 09:55PM
Two spaces in typesetting will mess up justification, so always only one space. However, it doesn't matter one whit in something like an email or forum post. Two spaces is better with fixed-width typefaces, but again, in a typical message or post it is totally irrelevant, use whichever you prefer. I am amazed at how much some folks care about this. Old Fogette
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: May 05, 2018 11:47PM
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Sarcany
They demonstrated one of the many exceptions to the one-space rule.

There's little or no debate that two spaces is acceptable when using a monospaced font.

The reason two spaces was originally the norm is that all typewriter fonts are monospaced. One space was always the normal for professional publishing and became the norm on PCs when they moved to word processing with proportional fonts.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: davester
Date: May 05, 2018 11:54PM
I do three spaces...just to piss the space-nazis off.


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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: May 06, 2018 09:08AM
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sunfalcon
Learned to type in HS on a typewriter. It's been two for me for 30 years.

I learned on a TRS-80 Model I, 40 years ago. That sucker didn't even have lower-case. Two spaces for me is just automatic, I don't think I could stop if I tried.
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Re: One space or two at the end of a sentence?
Posted by: TheTominator
Date: May 07, 2018 05:47AM
I always use two spaces. And that goes for parking my car too.
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