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Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: spearmint
Date: January 07, 2007 05:53AM
A friend in WA state sent me this:
WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET:

This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent! This system
has been tried and it works in every state.
If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever
the case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a
surcharge on your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you
DO NOT get the points. When you get your fine, send in a check to pay
for it. If the fine is $79.00 make the check out for $82.00, some small
amount over the fine. The system will then have to send you back a
check for the difference. However, here is the trick:
DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it away!
Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions are
complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are not complete.
The system has received its money and is satisfied and will no
longer bother you.
This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that set up
the standard databases used by every state.
Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need a break.




Da Good Life
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: January 07, 2007 07:13AM
FALSE.:
[www.snopes.com]

BGnR



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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: January 07, 2007 07:13AM
It would be nice if that were true but .....
[www.snopes.com]



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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: BigGuynRusty
Date: January 07, 2007 07:15AM
Damnit GrateFull!
Get to sleep!

BGnR



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"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."
"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: January 07, 2007 07:22AM
I'll be lucky if I don't have a headache from sleeping until 8:00am.

I guess we could call that one a tie, 8:13am LOL. Have a good one!



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Avoid points on a traffic ticket--
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 07, 2007 07:37AM
Don't break the law, don't get a ticket.






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket--
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: January 07, 2007 07:54AM
Quote
RAMd®d
Don't break the law, don't get a ticket.

Seems like a foolproof method to me.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Fritz
Date: January 07, 2007 08:21AM
carry extra donuts



!#$@@$#!

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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket--
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: January 07, 2007 08:43AM
Quote
voodoopenguin
Quote
RAMd®d
Don't break the law, don't get a ticket.

Seems like a foolproof method to me.

Exactly!

Why are there so many people out there that think they are above the law?

The traffic lights and speed limits aren't there to inconvenience you.

What's next? Tips on how to cheat on your taxes?



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Randy: What the @#$%& are you talking about?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2007 08:50AM by Rick-o.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Fritz
Date: January 07, 2007 08:48AM
make less money



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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: papercup
Date: January 07, 2007 08:49AM
I always unbutton my shirt a little more before the officer approaches my vehicle.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 07, 2007 09:01AM
I like that commercial with Danica Patrick trying to employ the Cleavage Copout.

As the cop walks back to her car, she says "Rookie."

Cracked me up every time I saw it.






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket--
Posted by: TheTominator
Date: January 07, 2007 09:04AM
Quote
Rick-o
What's next? Tips on how to cheat on your taxes?

Here is the trick:
DO NOT CASH THE IRS REFUND CHECK! Throw it away!
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: January 07, 2007 09:22AM
If you don't want points on your license for simple offenses such as speeding (less than 20 mph over the limit on a highway -- if you were doing 80 on a residential street, talk to a lawyer) or making an illegal turn, plead not guilty on the ticket and call the Clerk of the court and ask who to speak to about a plea bargain (the court's address is usually on the ticket and you can work from that to get the phone number).

Often, you can plea it down to a different offense with a phone call to an Assistant District Attorney or to the cop who ticketed you. Sometimes you might have to show up for the court date and speak to the DA right before the court begins its session.

Inevitably, when you plea down, they raise the penalty so that what would be a $50 dollar fine can easily turn into a $200 dollar fine... but you don't get points on your license or at least you get fewer points.

Typically, for speeding, you can at least plea down to a 2-point "failure to obey a traffic device" conviction. You just have to be polite and persistent, state your goals clearly and recognize that the people you're dealing with have absolutely no obligation to help you -- you're begging favors.

...and BTW: The story about being able to plea not guilty and if the cop doesn't show up in court you get off? That's not true. In most jurisdictions it's at the judge's discretion whether to reschedule your court date and they won't hesitate to do so at least a couple of times before choosing to go on based on the record (the ticket) or dismissing the case (if you're really really lucky).

Also, if you're facing serious charges, bring a lawyer. On top of the obvious benefits, people who bring lawyers get their cases heard FIRST in traffic court so you won't be sitting there all day waiting for your name to be called. And if he's local and knows the judge, he'll be in a better position to bargain for your fate.

ALWAYS consult an attorney for legal advice. What I just said is simply conveying general knowledge and is NOT to be construed as legal advice. An attorney will know how to deal with the facts of your specific case.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: spearmint
Date: January 07, 2007 09:44AM
Mint is the urban legend dupe. This is at least the third time. Back to the basement.




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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 07, 2007 10:04AM
That's not true.

No, you're incorrect.

It's not a universal truth. You are correct only in that it's the discretion of the judge or traffic commissioner, but the truth is that it's the standard practice in a great many jurisdictions to toss the ticket if the citing officer does not appear.

The practice is to give the defendant the benefit of the doubt, if the officer fails to show.

If the officer appears and the defendant does not, the same judge or traffic commissioner will almost always reschedule.

The above refers to traffic infractions and not misdemeanor offenses.

In CA, depending on the jurisdiction in question, there is no DDA (and certainly no DA) in traffic courts, which usually handle infractions only. The judge is addressed directly by the defendant for any requests for mercy. DDAs show up for misdemeanor and felony offenses.

If one has any doubts about their specific situation, or if there is criminal liability involved, then a lawyer is a good idea.






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: raz
Date: January 07, 2007 10:17AM
Quote
papercup
I always unbutton my shirt a little more before the officer approaches my vehicle.

So do I, but she never takes the bait :-(

BTW, the last ticket I got the cop just wrote it as 'failure to obey a traffic signal" which was $25, $100 in 'costs', and no points. I figured it was a bargain and paid up.



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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: bfd
Date: January 07, 2007 12:56PM
Minty, just like with the Cubs winning the World Series …

"If it's too true to be good …"
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: jimbrady
Date: January 07, 2007 01:26PM
"Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need a break."

I'm pretty sure every BS email you've fallen for has ended w/some version of this line. It's a special code to let people know they've just beheld a pile of manure.



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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: January 07, 2007 02:02PM
> You are correct only in that it's the discretion of the judge or traffic commissioner, but the
> truth is that it's the standard practice in a great many jurisdictions

Not a "great many." Not for many years.

Municipalities don't want to lose the revenue over the issue. Instructions that judges should prefer rescheduling have been written into state laws and rules of procedure across the country. I have no knowledge that it applies across all 50 states, but it certainly has been addressed on both the East and West coasts and I'm sure that you're not going to get off that easily except by pure luck in any major city.


> In CA... The judge is addressed directly by the defendant for any requests for mercy.

In Los Angeles, I made my plea bargains with the cops and DA's.

In an extremely rural area of PA, I had to speak to the judge because the judge had no clerk and the cop was also the DA and refused to take plea bargains because of an alleged conflict of interest.

Obviously, it varies. Call the clerk of the court as noted on your ticket to ask how it's done.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: January 07, 2007 04:39PM
A lot of municipalities aren't reporting minor traffic tickets to the databases any more. That way they get to collect the fine money, but people don't get mad enough to complain to their councilcritters about speed traps.

As far as getting out of tickets in small towns, I recall a bit of legal wisdom: "A good lawyer knows the law, but a great lawyer knows the judge."
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 07, 2007 05:44PM
MacMagus said

"..and BTW: The story about being able to plea not guilty and if the cop doesn't show up in court you get off? That's not true. In most jurisdictions it's at the judge's discretion whether to reschedule your court date and they won't hesitate to do so at least a couple of times before choosing to go on based on the record (the ticket) or dismissing the case (if you're really really lucky). "

In washington state, they have decided that the officer's notes on the back of the ticket are as good as sworn testimony. So unless you actually take it to court, as opposed to going before a magistrate, the cop is under NO obligation to appear, and you can't summon them for a magistrate hearing either.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 07, 2007 06:35PM
Not a "great many." Not for many years.

It's the common practice of most if not all jurisdictions (cities and counties) in the San Francisco Bay area.

Certainly the judge can order a hearing to be rescheduled, but that's the exception around here, not the rule.

Often, when the courts are notified of an officer being on vacation or other approved absence shortly after a subpoena is served, a hearing is rescheduled.

But the when the defendant shows up at the hearing date and the cop doesn't, it's considered appropriate not to further inconvenience/punish the party presumed innocent until proven guilty.


In washington state, they have decided that the officer's notes on the back of the ticket are as good as sworn testimony.

I like that idea. But has it been successfully challenged? I'd think that would be pretty common.

In days of old, notes were made on the blank back hard copy of a cite, and retrieved by the officer and taken to court on the day of the trial.

Now sites have fields for notes and cues, so just fill in the boxes with pertinent data, add a short line or two, and voilá! Independent recollection is bolstered.

And agreed, your mileage may vary.






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 07, 2007 07:35PM
Rammie said

"In washington state, they have decided that the officer's notes on the back of the ticket are as good as sworn testimony.

I like that idea. But has it been successfully challenged? I'd think that would be pretty common. "

Well, you have 3 choices on a ticket. Pay up, opt to explain to the judge/magistrate the circumstance, or fully contest it as you are 100% innocent.

If you go in to contest it, if the magistrate doesn't see things your way, you can opt to taking it to full court, but if you lose, it will be worse for you.

The system is geared towards generating money, not altering your behavior.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 07, 2007 08:32PM
Racer, I was speaking specifically of contesting the use of notes rather than requiring the officers presence.

Since one can't question the notes, it would seem an obvious target.






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 07, 2007 08:54PM
Interesting. Good to know. I haven't had a ticket in a while, and I have usually gotten it down to probabtion for 6 months with a fine. Not on my record unless I got another ticket in that 6 months.

The judge/magistrate can see these tickets if you show up before them, but they are a different record than what an insurance company can see.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: h'
Date: January 07, 2007 10:26PM
[www.snopes.com]

I'm with RAMDRD on this one. Is encouraging reckless driving and shirking responsibility for it considered some sort of public service?
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: chas_m
Date: January 08, 2007 12:03AM
Spearmint, I'm sure you're a wonderful person in RL, but you're either hopelessly naive or starting to get on my nerves.

This is at LEAST the third time you've reprinted spam bs that ANYONE (yes, including YOU) could have checked with snopes.com FIRST. Don't you think we get enough of this crap without having to read it AGAIN here?

PLEASE bookmark snopes.com and CHECK BEFORE POSTING.

Thank you. Cheers.



chas_m




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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket--
Posted by: trisho.
Date: January 08, 2007 12:17AM
Quote
Rick-o
Quote
voodoopenguin
Quote
RAMd®d
Don't break the law, don't get a ticket.

Seems like a foolproof method to me.

Exactly!

Why are there so many people out there that think they are above the law?

Guess you guys have never heard of profiling, huh? Or just lazy cops who pull over whoever's next to them even though there's another person doing 35 over the speed limit one car ahead? Or cops who stand over/next an expressway (dangerously) hidden with a radar gun?



trisho.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket--
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 08, 2007 04:43AM
Guess you guys have never heard of profiling...

Ah, yes. Stopping somebody who didn't break the law and giving them a ticket for something that never happened. I know a ton of people who claim that happens to them "all the time".


...though there's another person doing 35 over the speed limit one car ahead?

Yeah, THAT happens all the time too. Or so I'm told.


Or cops who stand over/next an expressway (dangerously) hidden with a radar gun?

Again, if you don't speed the radar gun isn't an issue. Oh, wait. You must be talking about profiled people who get stopped because they were doing 5mph over the limit and the other "non-profilable" guy ahead of him was doing 35 over, but ignored.

The answer is simple- people need to pay more taxes for Draconian traffic enforcement because people, to a very large extent, will never strive to avoid a ticket by obeying the rules of the road.






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: trisho.
Date: January 08, 2007 07:30AM
Ever been to Orlando? The cops there have become so ridiculous people are beginning to actually write the newspapers about it.

1. Yes, they do profile. Not just racially, but by age and out of state plates (tourists). Especially in Orlando. Also try telling it to my brother who had a cop pull him over and plant heroin in his car. It was so obvious the judge threw out the case. Also, my best friend was hit by a 40-something year old woman and he was 20 at the time. The cop kept thinking it was his fault until two other witnesses started vouching for him. She had it in her mind that it had to be the young person's fault.

2. Yes, they do pull over whoever is next to them. But for some reason, in Orlando, they won't pull over someone who is doing 70 mph on the expressway in the rain with no lights on when the limit is 55 in that area.

3. Ask anyone who lives in Orlando. The cops are now standing in very precarious places just to shoot a radar gun. The highways are extremely bendy there, a lot of hairpin turns, and sometimes there are cops sitting just around the bend with a radar gun. Even if you're not speeding you almost hit a cop who is standing outside the car with the gun. He's not even in the car. If you hit him, then you're on trial for hitting one/vehicular assault. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.



trisho.
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Official Card-Carrying Mother Earthin' Sl*t.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2007 07:45AM by trisho..
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: pixelzombie
Date: January 08, 2007 10:18AM
Quote
spearmint
A friend in WA state sent me this:
WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET:

This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent! This system
has been tried and it works in every state.
If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever
the case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a
surcharge on your auto insurance.

Red means stop, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. It's gotten worse over the years and will continue to do so until thay start using the cameras at intersections.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Racer X
Date: January 08, 2007 12:09PM
Yellow means prepare to stop, and you aren't even supposed to enter an intersection on a yellow UNLESS you will be out of it before it hits red. yeah, like that will happen. So all the times that traffic stops, and a person is stuck blocking an intersection, they obviously weren't obeying the law, and there is no excuse. There wasnt room for their vehicle on the other side of the intersection before they started across.

They havve started to actively hand out ticked in downtown Seattle over this. It only took about 2 decades to get off their arses and acknowledge that there was a problem. And then there is Redmond/Bellevue.
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Re: Avoid points on a traffic ticket.
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: January 08, 2007 03:18PM
Quote
trisho.
Ever been to Orlando? The cops there have become so ridiculous people are beginning to actually write the newspapers about it.

1. Yes, they do profile. Not just racially, but by age and out of state plates (tourists). Especially in Orlando. Also try telling it to my brother who had a cop pull him over and plant heroin in his car. It was so obvious the judge threw out the case. Also, my best friend was hit by a 40-something year old woman and he was 20 at the time. The cop kept thinking it was his fault until two other witnesses started vouching for him. She had it in her mind that it had to be the young person's fault.

2. Yes, they do pull over whoever is next to them. But for some reason, in Orlando, they won't pull over someone who is doing 70 mph on the expressway in the rain with no lights on when the limit is 55 in that area.

3. Ask anyone who lives in Orlando. The cops are now standing in very precarious places just to shoot a radar gun. The highways are extremely bendy there, a lot of hairpin turns, and sometimes there are cops sitting just around the bend with a radar gun. Even if you're not speeding you almost hit a cop who is standing outside the car with the gun. He's not even in the car. If you hit him, then you're on trial for hitting one/vehicular assault. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Ok, I'm now confused. Do these atrocities happen nationwide,
or just in Orlando?

Your basing your assumptions on your experiences, some friends and family, AND a few letter writers? Sorry, that argument doesn't convince me.

Gosh, I wonder how many of you were ACTUALLY BREAKING THE TRAFFIC LAWS WHEN YOU WERE STOPPED?

sheesh



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Randy: What the @#$%& are you talking about?
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