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Cheap Wines
Posted by: Rolando
Date: August 16, 2018 10:51PM
So trying out some new wines, I found Frontera's "After Midnight" is a Cab blend supposedly picked in the dark. Pretty intense flavor, fruity, but sweeter than I like.

Frontera is Concha Y Toro's lower end brand, usually ok. My favorite, the Carmenere; but I cannot find it under the Frontera brand anymore.

I prefer dry reds, any <$10 recommendations?



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: mattkime
Date: August 16, 2018 10:54PM
I spent a week in france this summer and came back with an appreciation for simple high quality wine. I'm not talking expensive. Just something that aims to be a very good cabernet. Seems like most of my wine purchases lately have all been disappointments. Maybe I just don't know what I'm doing.



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 17, 2018 03:53AM
Distribution of wine and different brands is a black art. I recommend sticking to a grape varietal, and trying out those that fall within your price range. For example, my favorite grape for a rich red is a tempranillo, and you can find that in excellent wines in a huge price range. And make friends with your local wine shop buyer or employee, they looooove to talk wine
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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: August 17, 2018 06:29AM
......$3 buck chuck.........???



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: billb
Date: August 17, 2018 06:46AM
more and more wineries are harvesting grapes "in the still of the night" or very early in the morning before sunup while it is cool avoiding altogether the heat of the day.

not a fan of cabs or syrah I've been purchasing a malbec every now and then for something different from my usual pinot noir staid which tend to come from Argentina and can usually be pretty good even around the $10 range.



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: August 17, 2018 06:48AM
.....someone in office said that box wines have actually gotten better.....



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: DP
Date: August 17, 2018 07:00AM
I like the Epicuro brands at Trader Joe's. The Beneventano is my choice and it's $7 or $8...





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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: pdq
Date: August 17, 2018 08:08AM
We’ve gone to red blends. My wife’s fave is Apothic, which we can usually get for just under $7/bt. Very little tannin, which the wife doesn’t care for.

I like the idea of box wines - less packaging - but haven’t found one yet that I really like. Black Box Pinot Grigio is pretty good. Haven’t been as impressed by their Sav Blanc, but it’s reviewed well.
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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: datbeme
Date: August 17, 2018 08:37AM
Isn't Concha y Toro's Casillero del Diablo usually about $9.99? Unless it's a few bucks higher where you live, that would be a good place to start if you like the Frontera carmenere.

I'm sure the winemakers laugh at the magic of the $10 price point, but we tend to gravitate to the ones in that range, usually the red blends which tend to be dry. Several decent ones at Trader Joe's that are $8.99-9.99 such as Tribunal. Bogle's Essential Red is a pretty good bet, and we like Epica's Red Blend if you can find it.
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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: btfc
Date: August 17, 2018 10:25AM
" I recommend sticking to a grape varietal, and trying out those that fall within your price range."

One of my wine choosing method is to find an expensive and highly rated wine, and then try wines from the same region, vintage, and grape varietal.


"make friends with your local wine shop buyer or employee"

I go to one shop where the clerk remembers what I've bought and liked in the past, asks what I'm serving it with, and picks a winner every time.


"Bogle's Essential Red is a pretty good bet"

I've been getting this a lot for casual wine drinking.



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: msglee
Date: August 17, 2018 12:08PM
I really like the Carolina Red from the Duplin Winery. Great desert wine.

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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: wurm
Date: August 17, 2018 12:52PM
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pdq
We’ve gone to red blends. My wife’s fave is Apothic, which we can usually get for just under $7/bt. Very little tannin, which the wife doesn’t care for.

I like the idea of box wines - less packaging - but haven’t found one yet that I really like. Black Box Pinot Grigio is pretty good. Haven’t been as impressed by their Sav Blanc, but it’s reviewed well.

Apothic Red (~$10) is one of our favorites, as is 19 Crimes (~$9). As for boxed wines, our go-to lately has been Bota Box Redvolution at $18-$20 for a three liter box.

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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 17, 2018 04:31PM
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I spent a week in france this summer and came back with an appreciation for simple high quality wine. I'm not talking expensive. Just something that aims to be a very good cabernet. Seems like most of my wine purchases lately have all been disappointments. Maybe I just don't know what I'm doing.

Here's the problem. It's not the wine, it's where you are.

There's research to show that things taste and smell different when we're in certain kinds of environments - so when you're in France and on vacation and everything is wonderful, the wine and food are going to be amazing. Then you get back in your own kitchen and even when home is wonderful the romance of the new and special is not there, and the thrill and other emotions that made the wine seem so great aren't there, so it just won't seem as good even if it is identical.

This can happen with special restaurants or other settings - you don't have to leave the country.

Keep trying those great French wines or whatever else you like but just don't expect to feel that...je ne sais quoi...
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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: mattkime
Date: August 17, 2018 05:07PM
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Lemon Drop
Here's the problem. It's not the wine, it's where you are.

Pfft, sorry, entirely not. Maybe I've just had bad luck. Sure, that can blur the lines but i don't think its going to make bad wine taste good.



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: billb
Date: August 17, 2018 05:46PM
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mattkime
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Lemon Drop
Here's the problem. It's not the wine, it's where you are.

Pfft, sorry, entirely not. Maybe I've just had bad luck. Sure, that can blur the lines but i don't think its going to make bad wine taste good.

Some people are easily duped.



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: jdc
Date: August 17, 2018 10:16PM
Bottle of reds, bottle of whites, perhaps a bottle of rose instead...





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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: Rolando
Date: August 18, 2018 12:23AM
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datbeme
Isn't Concha y Toro's Casillero del Diablo usually about $9.99? Unless it's a few bucks higher where you live, that would be a good place to start if you like the Frontera carmenere.
CyT also has Marques de Casa Carmenere, but they are kind of hard to find. I do love the Casillero del Diablo Red Blend.

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mrbigstuff
For example, my favorite grape for a rich red is a tempranillo, and you can find that in excellent wines in a huge price range. And make friends with your local wine shop buyer or employee, they looooove to talk wine

I've been drinking a lot of Tempranillo's over the last few years, but don't want to get stuck in a rut. Good advice on the wine shop employee.



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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: Racer X
Date: August 18, 2018 12:53AM
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jdc
Bottle of reds, bottle of whites, perhaps a bottle of rose instead...

I like them blended, a nice checkered wine for me.
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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 18, 2018 08:10AM
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mattkime
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Lemon Drop
Here's the problem. It's not the wine, it's where you are.

Pfft, sorry, entirely not. Maybe I've just had bad luck. Sure, that can blur the lines but i don't think its going to make bad wine taste good.

you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect French table wine to taste as good at home as it does when you're on vacation.

the US is awash in good cheap wine so maybe your luck is bad if you cant find any
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Re: Cheap Wines
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 18, 2018 12:01PM
There is no lack of good wine here, but there is a lack of similar pricing. That's the difference. In Europe, wine (and sometimes beer) is about the cost of mineral water. We have been bamboozled into thinking that wine should be expensive to be good, that's it's something precious and special. In Europe,.it's just fermented grape juice that you drink with meals, and in special occasions, you get that good bottle.
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