Vaping...all the kids are doing it

Do you have an opinion about vaping?
In favor:
1) Less harmful than smoking tobacco.
2) Can be used to wean people out of cigarette habit.
3) Effective delivery for nicotine (one of nature's niftiest drugs).
Against:
1) Widespread use makes it easy for kids to start experimenting.
2) Attractive flavors not only lure kids to use, but adults as well.
3) Even though less harmful than cigarettes, still contains unwanted and potentially harmful chemicals.

any other arguments pro or con?

It's way better than burning the stuff and polluting my air with a witch's brew of toxins.
It's only vape jerks that love to blow out huge quantities of vapor. They are the exception, not the rule. And I laugh hysterically when their fancy devices blow up in their pockets, scorching their wedding tackle.

And my Mrs. was just given the verbal go ahead by her pain management doctor to look for newly legal cannnabis products for her fibro. He's not registered to prescribe (Yet, he says), but he won't test her for it. If she can get relief without opiates, wow.... Just WOW.



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Im oversimplifying, but to me, its a gateway, sorta like pot.

Once you get bored with it, or it doesnt give you enough buzz, you move onto something harder to give you the buzz you cant get anymore.

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jdc
Im oversimplifying, but to me, its a gateway, sorta like pot.

Once you get bored with it, or it doesnt give you enough buzz, you move onto something harder to give you the buzz you cant get anymore.

Um... there are arguments that the 'gateway drug' theory is not particularly accurate. And appears to be less accurate as it's becoming more legal.

(Think of it this way.. people drinking beer don't eventually shift to drinking pure grain alcohol..)

[www.psychologytoday.com]

One short non-essential anecdote:
So, a couple of years ago, I'm on the subway and there's this teenage guy vaping away. I smile and I say,'I hope that's hash oil'. I get a big broad grin out of him. jes jokin' around.

Steve,

In favor:

Possibly less expensive than plain ol' cigarettes.
The vaping device is reusable.

Against:

More expensive than foregoing vaping/smoking entirely.
Maintenance of the vaping device, assuming it needs regular cleaning/sanitizing.
Not all of the components are recyclable? Maybe?

I neither smoke nor vape so I'm kinda sorta am guessing.

Robert

You want opinions?
It's stupid behavior.
Get a dream, and do something worthwhile.

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Nicotine addiction is nicotine addiction; the delivery system is incidental.

Is lite beer or diet soda still healthy?

I love how we love to parse shades of gray of stupid behavior.

... Just get off my lawn!

Just another drug of abuse.

Against.

It's smoking by any other name.

Part of its attraction may be the apparatus most often resembles drug paraphernalia.

And I see it very much as a gateway product, not too much different than 'candy cigarettes' for kids.

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"I don't like it; therefore, it must be stupid & a waste of time."

I like plenty of things that others would consider a waste of time.

Those kind of people are a waste of my time.

Another disadvantage to mention;
Anyone who thinks the various "flavoring agents" used in vape-juice have been tested for safety vaporizating and inhaling into the lungs is fooling themselves. Sure, they're "food safe" additives - NONE of which has ever been tested for the effects on the lining of the lungs when applied directly rather than being ingested.

We'll know THOSE effect in 10-20 years.

Better than smoking? Sure.... for the bystanders. Better for the person vaping? Well, probably.... but that remains to be seen.

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cbelt3
Um... there are arguments that the 'gateway drug' theory is not particularly accurate. And appears to be less accurate as it's becoming more legal.

(Think of it this way.. people drinking beer don't eventually shift to drinking pure grain alcohol..)

[www.psychologytoday.com]

From the first paragraph in the article: Well let me tell you that the experts are divided as well.

Again Im oversimplifying -- but also going on the expereince of my wife who works in public health. Shes worked with a whole swatch of drugs/diseases/adccicts/testing/prisoners/homeless/low SES -- you name it -- and shes seen the effects first hand.

Perhaps its changing with pot legalization.

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Robert M
Steve,

In favor:

Possibly less expensive than plain ol' cigarettes.
The vaping device is reusable.

Against:

More expensive than foregoing vaping/smoking entirely.
Maintenance of the vaping device, assuming it needs regular cleaning/sanitizing.
Not all of the components are recyclable? Maybe?

I neither smoke nor vape so I'm kinda sorta am guessing.

Robert

Is there an opinion stated somewhere in there?

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It is what it is.

N-OS,

Nope. Just more pros and cons.

Robert

Against.

Still nicotine, Still addictive. Not regulated by FDA and anyone can put anything into Vapes. Could potentially be more harmful than cigarettes.

I'm seeing way too many kids vaping because they think it is harmless. These are kids who weren't smoking cigarettes, and think those are disgusting and dangerous. When you candy out, kids are going to eat it.

It's the new addiction.

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Don't like it. Seems extra @#$%&-ey!

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Addictive. Expensive.

Sooooo.... seems legit to tax.

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Addictive. Expensive.

Sooooo.... seems legit to tax.

Yeah, build that infrastructure!

I work with addicts and most of the vapers are people who smoked anyway—still smoke in between vaping sometimes. Vapors can vary the amount of nicotine in their vapes but i don't know many who talk about that. Mostly they talk about the different flavors they get and share their vapor devices indiscriminately. They also suck a lot of vape into their lungs, more volume than cigarette smoke it seems.
I have to be outside with these guys when they are smoking and I find the vape smell as obnoxious as cigarette smoke.

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Paul F.
Another disadvantage to mention;
Anyone who thinks the various "flavoring agents" used in vape-juice have been tested for safety vaporizating and inhaling into the lungs is fooling themselves. Sure, they're "food safe" additives - NONE of which has ever been tested for the effects on the lining of the lungs when applied directly rather than being ingested.

We'll know THOSE effect in 10-20 years.

Better than smoking? Sure.... for the bystanders. Better for the person vaping? Well, probably.... but that remains to be seen.

This. There is absolutely no oversight as to what crap is being put in the juice.

IMO, vapers tend to be even less considerate than smokers. They believe that because its not a cigarette, they can do it anywhere. Who knows what the secondhand effects are. My youngest gets headaches when he's around it.

Nicotine is poison, whether it comes from cigarettes, cigars, pipes, patches, gum, or vaping. It is a major contributor to heart attacks, strokes, and peripheral arterial disease. Sure, inhaled tobacco products have risks also of emphysema and chronic bronchitis from tar, but pure nicotine all by itself is still poison.

I'm in favor... but ONLY for people who are already cigarette smokers/addicted to nicotine. Vaping doesn't stink nearly as bad as cigarettes and make the user, plus bystanders, cars, homes and everything else smell like a god damn ashtray. You can also use different concentrations of nicotine.

But for anyone who isn't already addicted, vaping is downright stupid. There are still plenty of harmful chemicals being inhaled by vape users. And even if there weren't, you can't convince me it isn't a totally stupid thing for a non-addicted person to do.

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