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Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: space-time
Date: January 27, 2019 11:13AM
but didn't want to use the traditional wood frame. What other options are available and also somewhat cost effective? This is about houses in USA of course, not a question for voodoopenguin. OK, maybe he can also tell us how houses are built in UK.
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: neophyte
Date: January 27, 2019 11:22AM
Steel or aluminum frame, or cinderblock?

Should be able to save on termite treatments.
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: btfc
Date: January 27, 2019 11:25AM
There's SIP panels:

[en.m.wikipedia.org]


[www.premiersips.com]
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 27, 2019 11:29AM
....heard you can use cards.....House of Cards.........


.....there is a movie coming out about someone building one out of glass......however, those you live in glass houses should throw stones or so I hear........



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: January 27, 2019 11:32AM
Lots of options. Regional zoning rules and codes may limit you. Also remember that houses that are “ weird” don’t sell well.
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: January 27, 2019 11:41AM
Well we did self build our family house here in the UK about 25 years ago and lived in it for over 20 years but I don't think anywhere in the UK has worries about termites.

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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: January 27, 2019 12:05PM
Insulated concrete forms are also popular
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 27, 2019 12:09PM
.....there was a house in the news......made entirely of recyclable materials......tires.....plastics.....etc.....



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: bik
Date: January 27, 2019 12:42PM
Steel framing is required for a lot of commercial construction (as opposed to wood/stick framing).

[www.steelframing.org]
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: max
Date: January 27, 2019 01:04PM
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neophyte
Steel or aluminum frame, or cinderblock?

Should be able to save on termite treatments.
I would, even some reinforced concrete.
Use an architect for these.
Then again, I live in hurricane prone area. If I was building again....
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: January 27, 2019 01:05PM
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Insulated concrete forms are also popular
That & metal stud framing; do away with all wood framing.
btw, concrete can be worked to an amazing array of finishes,
not just painted.



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: mattkime
Date: January 27, 2019 01:08PM
[en.wikipedia.org]



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 27, 2019 01:23PM
The house across the street from me is made from styrofoam. It was assembled out of large interlocking blocks that are then pumped full of concrete. Needless to say, it is very well insulated and looks like every other house in the neighborhood.



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 27, 2019 01:42PM
Need more info. Does it have to be accepted by a specific county's building codes?

Some I can remember covered on ThisOldHouse.com and/or Inhabitat.com:
- concrete mixed with polystyrene pellets
- concrete around polystyrene foam blocks
- tamped dirt
- tamped dirt around hay bales
- insulated shipping containers
- structural blocks
- structural clay tile
- structural glass blocks
- tamped dirt around soda bottles
- steel framed yurt



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: January 27, 2019 01:42PM
Besides steel frame, cinder block, concrete-filled foam block, and SIP there's also Cross-Laminated Timber (CLT) and Glulam:

[www.apawood.org]
[www.apawood.org]

[www.structurlam.com]
[www.structurlam.com]



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: srf1957
Date: January 27, 2019 02:36PM
There are a couple straw bale side wall houses here . Stucco siding . Large overhang on roof .
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: January 27, 2019 03:01PM
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Ombligo
The house across the street from me is made from styrofoam. It was assembled out of large interlocking blocks that are then pumped full of concrete. Needless to say, it is very well insulated and looks like every other house in the neighborhood.

[en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 27, 2019 03:33PM
....not on my land.....



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: January 27, 2019 06:05PM
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bik
Steel framing is required for a lot of commercial construction (as opposed to wood/stick framing).

[www.steelframing.org]

Steel framing is what I'd go with, perhaps over a concrete-filled styrofoam block basement or crawlspace. No slabs for me- I want access to whatever eventually breaks or leaks without having to rip up half the living room and kitchen floor.

Years ago a local municipality built a new two-story firehouse that happened to be on my way to and from work entirely from steel, wall studs, floor joists, roof rafters, everything. It was amazing to see how straight and true everything was compared to what passes for lumber these days. When they were done, it looked just like any other building.



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 27, 2019 07:20PM




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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: kledo
Date: January 27, 2019 07:51PM
Timber frame with SIPs.
Costs depend on whether your land can supply the timbers to be milled into structural elements.
If you are serious, you have a lot of investigating to do, if not then just buy a book and dream.
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Rolando
Date: January 27, 2019 09:11PM
As above, I've seen houses made of concrete and styrofoam! Reportedly hurricane proof.

Been thinking about a house made of shipping containers as well.



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: January 27, 2019 09:44PM
The big considerations in using any forestry based product (Framing, Timbers, SIPs, CLT, Glulam, etc.) are fire resistance and pests.
Engineered 'lumber' fireproofed products can actually cost more than structural steel or reinforced concrete.

An established AIA architect/engineer is a great source to get advice from.
Unlike a builder, they usually don't have interest conflicts with material suppliers.



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: January 27, 2019 10:04PM
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Been thinking about a house made of shipping containers as well.

I like the concept very much, but the reality is that the exterior width of a shipping container is only 8 feet. If you put a king-sized bed in a bedroom made from a shipping container, you'd have less than 1 foot on either side of the bed in which to walk and place bedside tables.

There are, or were, Lustron houses available free for the taking, the catch being that if you take one you are solely responsible for disassembly and transport of it. On the plus side their baked enamel finish on all exterior panels including the roof means they're nigh-on indestructible, but the downside of that is that remodeling or updating one is especially challenging. Also, they're rather small, both in overall footprint and individual room size, and were designed to be built (assembled?) only on concrete slabs.

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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 27, 2019 10:36PM
Oh wow, those Lustron look familiar. I was wondering where the house design used in Fallout 4 came from. Those look nearly dead on.

You can bolt multiple shipping containers together and cut an archway between them about 12' long. This can make some pretty good sized rooms. It will compromise the load bearing limit of the roof. You wouldn't want to put a full garden up there without adding some i-beams.

Sprawling Dallas home is built from 14 shipping containers [inhabitat.com]





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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: January 27, 2019 10:55PM
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Oh wow, those Lustron look familiar. I was wondering where the house design used in Fallout 4 came from. Those look nearly dead on.

I said the same thing when a friend showed me a game video of him playing Fallout 4. The interiors of the houses in the game are laid out completely differently (and are substantially roomier) than real Lustron houses, though. Still, if any house would be likely to survive a nuclear blast more-or-less intact, it would be a Lustron.

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You can bolt multiple shipping containers together and cut an archway between them about 12' long. This can make some pretty good sized rooms. It will compromise the load bearing limit of the roof. You wouldn't want to put a full garden up there without adding some i-beams.

That does mitigate the size problem quite a bit.



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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: January 28, 2019 09:01AM
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You can bolt multiple shipping containers together and cut an archway between them about 12' long. This can make some pretty good sized rooms. It will compromise the load bearing limit of the roof. You wouldn't want to put a full garden up there without adding some i-beams.

My understanding is that you can cut out all of the corrugated sheetmetal on a shipping container as they provide no structural support. It's the square tube frame that provides all the support. If you stack the containers they way that they were designed to be stacked (directly on top of each other), there is no issue. The structural issue comes into play when you stack them in any other manner. If you do this, you need to transfer the load vertically.

A guy is Scandinavia connected three shipping containers long sides together and removed the inside long walls to make one large space and turned it into a really nice vacation home. From the inside, you'd never know that you were in shipping containers.
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Re: Supposed you wanted to build a house...
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 28, 2019 09:02AM
....our house......is a very, very, very fine house......



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