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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

I'm not too worried about my ovulation schedule being compromised.

Where is the complete list of apps that are spying for FB?

A few were mentioned in the article. There are no more?

I do not have facebook account, no facebook app on my iPhone. I don't think I use any of those Apps, but if I did, and they would send the data to facebook, how can facebook use this data without knowing who I am? OK, they probably know.

I think the issue is that these companies do not disclose how they use the data, and if they do, it is buried deep inside the EULA or ToS that some many of us accept without reading. Yes, I am guilty of this too. I do not read many of these terms and conditions. It is just too complicated and to long for someone who is not a legal professional.

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Where is the complete list of apps that are spying for FB?

A few were mentioned in the article. There are no more?

The apps are sharing the data because they use Facebook analytics to target users with Facebook ad-services, even where the users have no Facebook accounts.

The WSJ reported that thousands of apps supposedly use the service, that they found 11 apps in a simple scan of network-traffic, but they did not opt to provide the whole list. Just five of them.

BetterMe: Weight Loss Workouts
Breethe, a meditation app
Instant Heart Rate: HR Monitor
Flo Period & Ovulation Tracker
Realtor.com

...And they mentioned an unidentified blood pressure monitor.

New York’s Department of State and Department of Financial Services are now investigating criminal charges and civil/regulatory action.

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every thing on line has everything. as long as my pw's are safe and changing, I could care less. Especially for as little as I zuckbook.
I more concerned with the @#$%& of bezos.

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Wouldn't you need to link those apps to your fb account? I don't have the fb app on my phone because it tracks continuously even when you're not using it. So I use the Safari website. It can only get location data when I say so....I hope.

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Wouldn't you need to link those apps to your fb account?

Nope. Your phone uniquely identifies you.

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I think we need to reduce the number of Apps we keep on your phones to minimum possible.

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I think we need to reduce the number of Apps we keep on your phones to minimum possible.

Here is an idea for people to get through their thick heads: Nothing in life is free. People have been willingly trading their privacy for free or discounted apps for years, and now they are realizing the repercussions of their choices. That this is happening shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. Advertising has always operated this way.

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My understanding is this:

An app gets data about you. The app has a "partner," (FB) who buys the data. FB then either resells it or uses it to target ads on FB. Or both.

Unrelated to this issue:
What's quasi interesting is how much advertisers buy emails and phone numbers.

Go to FB Settings > Ads > Advertisers > Who use a contact list added to FB

There's a never-ending window of advertiser thumbnails. You can "delete" them one-at-a-time but there will be zillions, with no way to select all/delete. And it only shows you 10 at a time. It's clearly not designed to let you easily delete them.

"These advertisers are running ads using a contact list they or their partner uploaded that includes info about you. This info was collected by the advertiser or their partner. Typically this information is your email address or phone number."

If yours is like mine you'll see a few local and/or stores you've dealt with, and a million real estate agents and car dealers from across the country.

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My understanding is this:

An app gets data about you. The app has a "partner," (FB) who buys the data. FB then either resells it or uses it to target ads on FB. Or both.

My understanding is that FB is not buying the data. They're providing what amounts to a database service for the app-maker -- ad-metrics and usage-tracking -- as well as acting as a conduit for ads. They allow advertisers to access the data in a poorly-anonymized form that gives them plausible deniability with privacy-minded lawmakers. They act as a broker for the data, between the app-maker and the advertisers and other data-brokers.

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Here's what naysayers need to get through their thick heads: there needs to be transparency.

Every user has a right to know who is taking what data and doing what with it, and that it's wrong to steal data just because the app is free with or without ads.

That information shouldn't be buried in 20-50pp of EULA. 'You want this app? THIS is what it'll cost you'.

Information mining is not what advertising has always been. That some people are only figuring out what they're paying a price for 'free' content doesn't excuse the actions of FB or anybody else mining data.

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Thanks RAM,

Well said. It's the absence of transparency that is the issue, not the existence of a Quid pro Quo.

In pre-Internet times, advertisers could purchase mailing lists of individuals and addresses, by location (Zip code), broken down by age, sex, sometimes interests, etc. Nothing like the specificity today, of course, but the aim is the same: to sell you stuff. Obviously if you are the seller, it is extremely important to target your potential customers, so any data that enables you to do that is worth paying for.

I can't think of any way to restrict data mining, nor will RAMd®d's 'transparency' amount to more than blanket statements when you open an app, to the effect that "Your location, habits, interests, and other data may be harvested and sent to other vendors when you use this product."

So if I use a free Guitar Tuner on my iPhone, am I likely to see ads for guitars, etc.? Of course. Is this a problem? If I buy a tuner from a music store, unless I pay cash and don't give them my name, I'll see ads from the store, and maybe from others as well (companies trade lists all the time).

The hardest part of marketing is actually reaching your likely customers with an ad for your product. From the standpoint of vendors, the Internet makes it a lot easier than it used to be.

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So if I use a free Guitar Tuner on my iPhone, am I likely to see ads for guitars, etc.? Of course. Is this a problem? If I buy a tuner from a music store, unless I pay cash and don't give them my name, I'll see ads from the store, and maybe from others as well (companies trade lists all the time).

The Russians and U.S. political parties and PACs pay for data on users -- and for Facebook to use their own data on users -- to deliver targeted ads and fake news stories designed to skew their beliefs. Not just political positions. Not just steering them towards candidates. They're creating false BELIEFS.

Drug companies and unregulated herbal supplement companies make meds that fail tests for basic safety and utility and they sell them with targeted ads designed to skew people's BELIEFS. Some of this stuff is actually steered towards physicians to taint their medical judgment.

There have been studies recently demonstrating that people who fall outside of Facebook's most popular demographics are actually being steered toward the mean by another class of propaganda and subtle pushes in advertising. It's being done in order to make those people more susceptible to Facebook's ads. When Facebook can demonstrate that their ads are more effective than others, they sell more ads and can charge more money for their services. The concern is that progress is made at the edges. Our culture is now actively working towards stagnation and our own destruction and it's being done by ad-brokers.

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". . . They're creating false BELIEFS."

Your fears are not new, but I hope still overblown. Cf Pohl and Kornbluth, The Space Merchants.

It is arguable that the failure of the schools (not to mention the colleges) to teach the history and fundamentals of Western thought (in philosophy, logic, literature, science, etc.) and the necessity of critical thinking, are leading to a numbed-down populace incapable of separating the wheat from the chaff in the barrage of images and 'information' (most of it biased or fake) they encounter. The solution is not to stop advertising: it's to restore education to its roots.

/Mr Lynn

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". . . They're creating false BELIEFS."

Your fears are not new, but I hope still overblown.

Obama's birth certificate was fake.
Benghazi was a setup by H. Clinton.
Obama's FEMA built concentration camps for white people.
Vaccines cause autism.
Global warming is a hoax.
Global warming is good because we can grow more food because plants thrive with more carbon dioxide.
The government is hiding a comet that will destroy the earth in 2012/2017/2023.
Clinton substituted millions of absentee ballots in the 2016 election.
Seth Rich was murdered to cover up DNC emails.
H. Clinton had brain damage.
There are "Missing" DNC emails or Clinton emails and the FBI is complicit.
Millions of illegal immigrants vote in our elections.
Sandy Hook and other school shootings were faked to push gun-control legislation.
Antifa is working for fascists or wealthy Jews (or both).
Anti-Trump protesters are paid and bused into DC by dems.
Pizzagate.
Sutherland Springs church shooting was an attack on rich white people by a radical Muslim.

At least 20 of the top 50 stories on Facebook are consistently falsehoods.

The Shorenstein Center calls it a "pathology."

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Wow—what an uncritical potpourri of fairy tales and real issues! But it's clear where you stand politically.

/Mr Lynn

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Wow—what an uncritical potpourri of fairy tales and real issues!

Thank you for making my point.

(They're all fairy tales.)

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Wow—what an uncritical potpourri of fairy tales and real issues!

Thank you for making my point.

(They're all fairy tales.)

Quite the contrary, if you can't tell the difference, you've been bamboozled.

/Mr Lynn

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Wow—what an uncritical potpourri of fairy tales and real issues!

Thank you for making my point.

(They're all fairy tales.)

Quite the contrary, if you can't tell the difference, you've been bamboozled.

We're gonna end up taking this to the political side if we keep this up.

Hit Snopes and the Wikipedia. They're all lies.

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Wow—what an uncritical potpourri of fairy tales and real issues!

Thank you for making my point.

(They're all fairy tales.)

Quite the contrary, if you can't tell the difference, you've been bamboozled.

We're gonna end up taking this to the political side if we keep this up.

Hit Snopes and the Wikipedia. They're all lies.

Agree, no point in pursuing it. But if you think Snopes is unbiased, you're mistaken. Wikipedia is useful, but politically-charged issues are often woefully manipulated.

/Mr Lynn

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Wow—what an uncritical potpourri of fairy tales and real issues!

Thank you for making my point.

(They're all fairy tales.)

Quite the contrary, if you can't tell the difference, you've been bamboozled.

We're gonna end up taking this to the political side if we keep this up.

Hit Snopes and the Wikipedia. They're all lies.

Agree, no point in pursuing it. But if you think Snopes is unbiased, you're mistaken. Wikipedia is useful, but politically-charged issues are often woefully manipulated.

/Mr Lynn

I used to love Snopes, but now they do have a distinct bias to them.

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