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Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 21, 2019 12:07AM
I'm on 10.12. I want to go to 10.14. When I try to run the installer, it says I need to go to 10.13 first. I managed to find it, but when I download it from the app store it says I need to update my firmware. This is on a 2009 Mac Pro that's been updated, so it should have the 2010 firmware. So I do the dance of shutting down, then holding down the power button until it flashes. It flashes, then there's a tone. A minute later it boots. But then I go to run the 10.13 installer again, and it again says I need to update the firmware. I've done this a couple times now. No dice.

Any ideas how I get this thing to update?




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: DP
Date: September 21, 2019 06:54AM
I'd say stay at 10.12. I've been dealing with some issues since I updated (I don't say "upgrade" anymore) and have gotten help but some members here think it's 10.14 that is the issue...





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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: PeterW
Date: September 21, 2019 07:53AM
Do you have a Metal-capable video card installed in your MP?
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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 21, 2019 09:45AM
To go to 10.13, you need to update the Mac Pro's firmware to deal with the new APFS file system.

The firmware update doesn't install properly from some boot drives -- notably 3rd party SSD drives. In my experiments, I was also unable to install it from USB/FireWire devices.

The solution that I came up with (for the supported 2010/2012) was to install a 3.5-inch hard drive and put Sierra on it. Then make this drive the Mac's boot drive and run the HS installer. The firmware update works reliably whenever I do this.

...Now, here's the giant caveat: If you've flashed your 2009 to think it's a 2010 then I don't know what the standard HS installer's firmware update will do to your hack.

...And as for Mojave, things get complicated there. I think you need to hit some other forums to explore the dosdude hacks and see other people's experiences with it. Even on a (supported) 2012, you'd need to upgrade with a Metal compatible graphics card.



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 21, 2019 10:01AM
I have a GTX 660. Is that metal compatible?

I do have a SSD boot drive, using one of the OWC PCI cards.




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: September 21, 2019 10:21AM
I did as Sarcany, pulled the SSD's & cards, installed a 3.5 on SATA-2 bus with
Sierra and proceeded from there. Once firmware is done, the SSDs & cards went back in.
GPU is AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB flashed.

Here's what TonyMacx86 has on GPUs.



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 21, 2019 11:07AM
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M A V I C
I have a GTX 660. Is that metal compatible?

I don't think so.

Apple's list of supported cards:
[support.apple.com]



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: September 21, 2019 12:14PM
I think you're asking for trouble. Given the potential issues, I would stay where I'm at.



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: JoeH
Date: September 21, 2019 12:48PM
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Sarcany
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M A V I C
I have a GTX 660. Is that metal compatible?

I don't think so.

Apple's list of supported cards:
[support.apple.com]

I would say it may be supported. The 660 is from the same series as the supported GTX 680, and a driver that supports one of that series usually supports the others in the series. Your main issue may be which video ports on the card work, differences from the nVidia reference configuration are the main source of problems when using a non-Mac version card with macOS.
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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: September 21, 2019 05:11PM
a caveat re: "Apple's list of supported cards". Those are Mac versions of those
particular cards. Notice my HD 7850 is not on "Apple's" list?
Yet, it works & System Information reports:

  Chipset Model: AMD Radeon HD 7850
  Type:	GPU
  Bus:	PCIe
  Slot:	Slot-1
  PCIe Lane Width:	x16
  VRAM (Total):	2048 MB
  Vendor:	ATI (0x1002)
  Device ID:	0x6819
  Revision ID:	0x0000
  ROM Revision:	113-E2080C-101
  EFI Driver Version:	01.00.624
  Metal:	Supported



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 21, 2019 07:43PM
Argh. I already have six drives in this machine. Four in the original bays. One in the optical bay. The sixth on a PCI card. I can't even find another drive around here, except for some old 2.5" platter drives.

None of the others are bootable into Mac OS.

For the apps I use anymore, Mojave is the last OS they'll run on. So I want to get it to there and leave it.




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: September 22, 2019 12:12AM
are any of the bay HDs bootable? If so, boot from one of them, and try updating from it. If that doesn’t work, then trying roofing all other drives, and try again. If that doesn’t work, get a cheap video card that’s know to be Metal compatible.

You’re trying to do some very sophisticated upgrades on a 10 year old machine. It’s not reasonable to expect it to be easy. If you’re lucky it will be, but you can’t count on it.
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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: September 22, 2019 12:24AM
Google fu says that video card is almost never metal compatible-maybe a few were made differently.

If you’re going to run Mojave, you need a metal compatible video card. You can buy a 560 used for cheap- it much horsepower, but adequate for everyday stuff
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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 22, 2019 09:57AM
Only one of the other drives is bootable, and that's to Windows.

I do video editing with this, and I don't want a weaker card. Wish I could tell if the issue was the video card or the SSD. A 650 uses the same drivers, so it seems like the card should work.




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 22, 2019 10:09AM
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M A V I C
Wish I could tell if the issue was the video card or the SSD...

Huh?

You talking about your problem with the 10.13 firmware update?

Thought we'd covered that.

...If this is a production machine and not a hobby machine then you shouldn't be messing with stuff that can easily brick it.

Do you have good backups? Do you have another Mac to fall back on if your Mojave upgrade fails?



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: September 22, 2019 02:44PM
This is a FIRMWARE upgrade, the drivers are pretty much irrelevant.

If you want to upgrade, you need to have a compatible video time. You probably need to boot from a MacOS hard drive in the bay. You may be able to do it from the PCIE card, but I doubt it.

Well, if you want to upgrade pay the price and go ahead and do it otherwise, don’t upgrade. Unfortunately there is no cheap way to do this.
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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: September 22, 2019 02:45PM
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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 22, 2019 03:50PM
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Sarcany
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M A V I C
Wish I could tell if the issue was the video card or the SSD...

Huh?

You talking about your problem with the 10.13 firmware update?

Thought we'd covered that.

That it could be either the GPU or drive, but unless I missed it, no clear answer as to which.

Quote

...If this is a production machine and not a hobby machine then you shouldn't be messing with stuff that can easily brick it.

Do you have good backups? Do you have another Mac to fall back on if your Mojave upgrade fails?

Hobby. Yes, I have backups.

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This is a FIRMWARE upgrade, the drivers are pretty much irrelevant.

If you want to upgrade, you need to have a compatible video time. You probably need to boot from a MacOS hard drive in the bay. You may be able to do it from the PCIE card, but I doubt it.

Well, if you want to upgrade pay the price and go ahead and do it otherwise, don’t upgrade. Unfortunately there is no cheap way to do this.

Well, some are saying that I need a metal compatible GPU. The reason the drivers are relevant, is that if they're the same on certain versions, then it likely means the video card is supported, even if it's not on the list.

I've since done some digging and found my card should work for the upgrade. That said, the Nvidia web drivers don't seem to be available yet for Mojave (Apple says they're waiting on Nvidia. Nvidia says they're waiting on Apple.) So even if I was able to upgrade, I wouldn't get full hardware acceleration.




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 22, 2019 04:04PM
And now I read it may run without the web drivers. Hmmm.




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 22, 2019 04:19PM
I thought I had a spare SSD around here (original Intel 80GB). Turns out it was still in one of my 2.5" to 3.5" bay adapters, next to one that was in service (Windows.) Unplugged that, plugged in the old one, reformatted... I'm going to start by installing Sierra and go from there.

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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: September 22, 2019 06:02PM
You may be able to do it from the PCIE card, but I doubt it.
Nope, pull any PCIe cards; they'll interfere with the firmware updater.
Boot* from a HDD/SSD installed on the native SATA-II bus.
*Before that first boot, do a PRAM reset.

I'm on 10.12.
  • Run: System Information.app
  • Select: Graphics/Displays
Do you see Metal: Supported?
If so, you should be able to install Mojave. If not, your GTX 660 is some odd
variant of the original nVidia product.

fwiw, the GTX 660's GPU is a newer version of the one in the GTX 680.
I have a GT 640 (not 'X') that showed as "Metal Supported" when I was testing it in
my 2009 MP.



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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 22, 2019 07:09PM
Thanks for the Metal Supported tip. Right now HS is installing. Got the firmware done after putting the original video card in - GT120 or something like that. Not Metal for sure. But perhaps that was a coincidence because I had to remove the PCI card to get that card in.

One other reason I want to upgrade is I'm having problems playing back high speed video from a GoPro. The latest FCP and other video app updates require a newer OS.




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Re: Can't get my Mac to upgrade the OS
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: September 22, 2019 08:53PM
HS installed. Going to Mojave.

"Metal: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v3"




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