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Replacing heating system - any way to get actual furnace prices?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 08:37AM
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Posted by: tortoise
Date: October 09, 2019 08:46AM
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Posted by: 3d
Date: October 09, 2019 08:49AM
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Posted by: mattkime
Date: October 09, 2019 08:50AM
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 09:56AM
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tortoise
Google is your friend, I am sure the answers are somewhere in the many results:
[www.google.com]
Re: Replacing heating system - any way to get actual furnace prices?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 09:58AM
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3d
Is it possible to get another Estimate #2 with no duct work? So you're comparing apples to apples?
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 10:08AM
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mattkime
How can you tell when a furnace is approaching end of life?
Re: Replacing heating system - any way to get actual furnace prices?
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: October 09, 2019 11:34AM
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Posted by: Fred_Also
Date: October 09, 2019 11:51AM
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 11:54AM
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macphanatic
Look at this:
Carrier prices
Why only 80% efficiency? If they're going in the attic, it shouldn't be difficult to go to a higher efficiency. You may also get an energy rebate from your utility company.
Re: Replacing heating system - any way to get actual furnace prices?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 12:07PM
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Fred_Also
Here's a link I found that might give you some idea of the pricing.
Give furnace costs and installed costs.
Furnace Price Guide
Fred
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Posted by: macphanatic
Date: October 09, 2019 12:51PM
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Posted by: btfc
Date: October 09, 2019 01:23PM
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Posted by: Acer
Date: October 09, 2019 02:09PM
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Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 09, 2019 03:10PM
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Posted by: Ammo
Date: October 09, 2019 03:12PM
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Re: Replacing heating system - any way to get actual furnace prices?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 03:18PM
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macphanatic
IMO, the HVAC industry puts the car sales industry to shame with pricing tactics.
Labor costs to put units in attics may be higher as the work can be more challenging.
High efficiency units vent using PVC pipe and need condensate lines. They can't be vented thru a traditional chimney. The condensate line should be able to be run through an outside wall and down to grade. Or it may be possible to drain into a waste line (not sure on the code restrictions for that). Several of my neighbors have high efficiency heaters in their attics (SE PA area).
Have you reached out to your public utility to see if they have any guidance?
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 03:22PM
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btfc
"short cycling of the furnaces"
There are several possible causes for short cycling and it might be worth your time to investigate. Quality thermostats properly configured can help a lot.
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 03:23PM
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Acer
IIRC from my furnace shopping days, furnaces over-matched for the space can yield short cycles. They heat too quickly and shut off. Properly matched ones will run longer on a cycle, heat more evenly and wear better.
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 03:27PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
HVAC equipment and parts pricing is very similar to appliance parts, where the actual wholesale volume price from the manufacturer is likely 20% -25% of what you get quoted as the retail price.
Back in 1992 (essentially pre-internet), a friend with an electrical/electronics resale license showed me the nearly top secret price book for a part I was looking for. When I went to the nearest retail store to buy it, I damn near coughed up a lung when they rang up the "retail price." Bulk wholesale was ~$4.90, retail was $21.50.
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Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 09, 2019 04:20PM
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 09, 2019 04:38PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
My guess is your price is closely tied to how busy they have been on a recent basis. Trying to find a competent company that isn't too busy can be a challenge in itself. The only way to be sure is to do a whole lot of local neighborhood networking and find someone who works as a tech for a company.
Consumers Checkbook (https://www.Checkbook.org) has been around a long time but it looks like they don't have much of a presence around Union, NJ. When I pull the site up, my location overrides the search function when I try to search for Air-Conditioning & Heating Contractors near you.
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Posted by: deckeda
Date: October 12, 2019 11:49AM
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JoeM
... What I’m trying to determine is do the installers in my part of NJ normally gouge customers, which I have a feeling is probably the case and if it is the case, how do I keep the gouging from becoming ridiculous.
Re: Replacing heating system - any way to get actual furnace prices?
Posted by: JoeM
Date: October 13, 2019 10:49AM
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JoeM
... What I’m trying to determine is do the installers in my part of NJ normally gouge customers, which I have a feeling is probably the case and if it is the case, how do I keep the gouging from becoming ridiculous.
You get competing quotes, that's how. If it's collusion, a cabal, you have no real options. If a company wants to charge a fair(er) price, it'll be revealed in the quote IF the bad guys are all overcharging. Don't overthink it or second guess people you're giving thousands of dollars too. They're either plain in their description of what they'll do or they are not.
The cost of the hardware remains irrelevant unless you're going to put it in yourself. This isn't like buying a new car and checking "invoice price." I suppose some people might be tempted to inform the installers they're charging too much for labor, which strikes me as weird and impractical when homeowners aren't experts.
I remain a big advocate of systems that use a variable-speed (DC) blower fan, so that you never get a full blast of air huffing through the registers unless it just really needs to max out its heating/cooling of the house. Usually they're up-sold on the hardware side as "better" or "best" alternatives to whatever the lowest-price quote was. Worth it IMO for comfort, less noise etc.