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External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Buck
Date: December 04, 2019 03:41PM
I want a reliable SSD, no spinning HD, for use between newer Macs.
Most are USB, so I have to use an adapter. What do we like here in 1TB minimum (but I would like more)?

For backups, I'll get something cheaper at Costco - 5TB or more.



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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 04, 2019 04:02PM
Budget?

By "newer" do you mean USB C connector? or a mix of USB C and the older style USB?

How big are the files? Wireless between 2 moderish macs is really fast... maybe just transfer files wirelessly?

Regardless, dozens to choose from, although a DIY solution might be the cheapest.

Does size or speed matter? 2.5" SSD being the biggest and slowest (and cheapest) vs PCIe = fastest and costs more...





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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: hal
Date: December 04, 2019 04:54PM
USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?

what model computer?
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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: December 04, 2019 05:12PM
Do your Macs support USB 3.1 and/or Thunderbolt 3?

You need to check the tech specs (unless you already know them).

USB 3.1 is about twice as fast as USB 3.0. T3 is about twice as fast as USB 3.1

Both 3.1 and T3 use a USB C connector/port, but not all USB C ports support 3.1 and T3.

If even one supports both, I'd get an NVMe drive and which ever of the two protocols you can afford.

If the budgets a little tight, a NVMe-3.1 drive will be more palatable, price wise. There won't be any cheap $7 as with USB 3.0. But they'll be cheaper than a T3 enclosure.

At some point, you could upgrade to a T3 enclosure which would then let that NVMe run wild, maximizing it's speed capability.

Or just flip over all the cards and go straight to a T3 enclosure. That's the priciest move, and possibly your only move if say- none of your Mac supported 3.1 but did support T3.

Can/does any Mac support T3 and not 3.1? I don't know.





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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Buck
Date: December 04, 2019 06:41PM
iMacs and MacBook Pros are all 2017 and newer, and in multiple locations. So, Thunderbolt 3.
Yes, I saw some high prices for those.

As long as it has a TB3 or USB-C port, it should be fine. Maybe it's too high a price to avoid dongles.
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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 04, 2019 06:51PM
So USB C, no adapters needed. Thunderbolt isnt a connection type...

$87 for a 1 TB drive: [www.amazon.com]

$13 for a case: [www.amazon.com]





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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: FormerlySaleenl
Date: December 04, 2019 08:02PM
We've had great luck with Oyen drives. I've been personally using this one for the past month: [oyendigital.com]
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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Buck
Date: December 04, 2019 08:31PM
In case of a clone, will it be bootable?
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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 04, 2019 09:33PM
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Buck
In case of a clone, will it be bootable?

Of course? Why wouldnt it be?





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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 04, 2019 09:38PM
Plenty of USB3 drives can use either USBA or USBC cables, no adapters needed.
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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 04, 2019 09:54PM
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jdc
So USB C, no adapters needed. Thunderbolt isnt a connection type...

$87 for a 1 TB drive: [www.amazon.com]

$13 for a case: [www.amazon.com]

This will be just about twice as fast...

$108 1TB m2 SATA:
[www.amazon.com]

$20 USB 3.1 m2 enclosure:
[www.amazon.com]



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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: December 04, 2019 10:10PM
Thunderbolt 3: Plugable

I have the 500GB model. It comes close to its rated "up to" specs (2400MB/sec read, 1800MB/sec write).
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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 04, 2019 10:29PM
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Sarcany
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jdc
So USB C, no adapters needed. Thunderbolt isnt a connection type...

$87 for a 1 TB drive: [www.amazon.com]

$13 for a case: [www.amazon.com]

This will be just about twice as fast...

$108 1TB m2 SATA:
[www.amazon.com]

$20 USB 3.1 m2 enclosure:
[www.amazon.com]

I dont see how, both drives rated a the same 550/520 R/W speeds.

But I would prefer the smaller size if I was using it as sneaker net.

Although honestly, if it was just a few GBs of files a good old regular HDD
would be fine... or even just the cloud, ala. dropbox. I certainly dont have stellar net, only 55/11, but if I was driving cross town even a couple of GBs would transfer before I got there...

Pupp -- for $300 it better be 3X as fast =)





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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 04, 2019 11:32PM
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jdc
I dont see how, both drives rated a the same 550/520 R/W speeds...

On a good day, USB 3.0 hits about 380MBs. You're likely to get far less than that in real-world-day-to-day.

Real world USB 3.1 speed is twice that. You'll consistently max out the speed of the drive.

Also, don't buy a QVO drive. They seldom come anywhere near the rated write-speed with large file-transfers (they actually write slower than hard drives after they fill their tiny buffers) and they're designed from scratch to be cheap and short-lived with half the endurance of a regular SSD. Go ahead and buy a 2.5-inch SSD and a USB 3.0 case if you want, but don't buy a QVO drive.



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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 04, 2019 11:38PM
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jdc
Although honestly, if it was just a few GBs of files a good old regular HDD would be fine...

So, pick up a 2.5-inch Seagate hard drive and one of these cables:
[www.amazon.com]



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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 04, 2019 11:53PM
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Sarcany
Also, don't buy a QVO drive.

Thats my fault, hes right. Thought I linked to the EVO drive not the QVO. the price looked really good... its $110 for the EVO.

[www.amazon.com]

and FWIW, the case I linked was a 3.1 case, not USB 3. However, you should do your own research before buying...





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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 04, 2019 11:59PM
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jdc
and FWIW, the case I linked was a 3.1 case, not USB 3. However, you should do your own research before buying...

USB 3.1 "Gen 1" is USB 3.0.

Max theoretical speed is 5Gbps.

USB 3.1 "Gen 2" is "real" USB 3.1.

Max theoretical speed is 10Gbps.

[www.msi.com]

You linked to a USB 3.1 Gen 1 enclosure.



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Re: External SSD for MacBook Pro - USB? USB-C? ThunderBolt?
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: December 05, 2019 01:02AM
This is exactly right. And Tbolt3 us theoretically 40 Gbp, IIRC.

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Sarcany
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jdc
and FWIW, the case I linked was a 3.1 case, not USB 3. However, you should do your own research before buying...

USB 3.1 "Gen 1" is USB 3.0.

Max theoretical speed is 5Gbps.

USB 3.1 "Gen 2" is "real" USB 3.1.

Max theoretical speed is 10Gbps.

[www.msi.com]

You linked to a USB 3.1 Gen 1 enclosure.
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