If you were to tell me a month ago that I will be washing groceries in my sink to get a virus off before putting it in the fridge and pantry I would have said you were insane. But here I am, washing tortilla chips, pretzels, yogurt, pickles and bacon in the sink under running water with soap. Rinsing. And then drying it all off with a towel.

My 9 and 6yo kids have become unfazed with all the washing, wiping, and spraying. They know the seriousness. They know school is cancelled because there's a germ out there that is making people very sick. If you catch it, it hurts a lot and you may have to go to the hospital. There's no medicine for it. And you might not come back home.

It sucks that this is the world they will be growing up in.
The Purell Generation.

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It’s messed up, for sure. Hang in there, you’re doing what you can. I’m still working out some basic logistics for moving around town, which we now do very little of anyway.

The new reality definitely sucks, but hopefully, it won't last forever and we can get back to (almost) normal within a year or so.

.....wow....so all that......AND......a bag of chips.....???

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what's the rcommended washing time for chips?

I've tried to simplify things. Most of what I bought was not needed immediately, but was to restock things that we consume regularly.

I put everything into the garage in a separate area, if it didn't need to be refrigerated it will just sit there for at least 72 hours.

I have a second fridge in the garage, frozen stuff goes into the back of the garage freezer it will be more than a week before I finish the current supply of frozen stuff and will need to dig into this. Fridge stuff went into the back of the garage fridge, again behind and separated from the existing supplies that will be consumed over the next several days.

Anything needed sooner gets wiped down with Clorox wipes.

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If you catch it, it hurts a lot and you may have to go to the hospital.

Except when it doesn’t and you don’t. It is still the case that the vast majority of those infected experience mild to no symptoms and fully recover with minimal discomfort.

It is also important to understand the real reason for our current “stay at home” posture: We have no way to identify the infected until they present with symptoms AND they can be contagious for up to two weeks until that happens. If we were able to test everyone at once, it would be much easier to isolate just the infected than to isolate everybody.

Finally, don’t lose sight of the fact that there WILL be a vaccine for this.

It’s not as if our current situation marks a permanent change in how we will live out our lives.

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Make sure that you wash each individual chip.

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Make sure that you wash each individual chip.

Very true! I do that with my favorite beverage!

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Randy: What the @#$%& are you talking about?

NOT necessary to do what you're doing; what GGD said ... "quarantine" your groceries for about three days, you should be fine.

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....so people will wash all those groceries....but won't clean their 'junk' or behind their ears......

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If you catch it, it hurts a lot and you may have to go to the hospital.

Except when it doesn’t and you don’t. It is still the case that the vast majority of those infected experience mild to no symptoms and fully recover with minimal discomfort.

It is also important to understand the real reason for our current “stay at home” posture: We have no way to identify the infected until they present with symptoms AND they can be contagious for up to two weeks until that happens. If we were able to test everyone at once, it would be much easier to isolate just the infected than to isolate everybody.

Finally, don’t lose sight of the fact that there WILL be a vaccine for this.

It’s not as if our current situation marks a permanent change in how we will live out our lives.

We're out of ventilators in every major city. There are people dying while waiting for beds in the hospitals. Even those who recover quickly are showing signs of permanent lung damage.

Peak in the US is expected some time late in the next month, or maybe six weeks out.

That puts the end of the worst of it around August.

If we keep this up.

If we go back to work and let up on the washing, all bets are off.

And any real vaccine isn't coming before late 2021.

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better waste time, soap, and water and look like fool than end up spreading covid to your friends, family, co-workers.

Wife thought that I was being paranoid when I put oranges and apples in warm soapy water and wiped down all of the containers when we got home yesterday. I eat an orange and an apple every day so most of them will sit in the refrigerator for a while before I get to them. Cans and boxes were wiped down but again will sit for a while before I get to them.

Don't have (nor can find) Chlorox, so warm soapy water will have to do. That and time SHOULD work in my favor. I suppose it is all excess - until it's not.

I cant effing believe that one dude -- a family dr no less -- has had so much influence on everyone. He should buy lotto, or change his name to Barnum.

Water is more than enough, eating soap can make you sick.

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I cant effing believe that one dude -- a family dr no less -- has had so much influence on everyone. He should buy lotto, or change his name to Barnum.

Water is more than enough, eating soap can make you sick.

Welcome to the wide wonderful new world of social media, where everyone is an expert/celebrity, and has just as much influence as anyone else, regardless of credentials, background, or facts.

Edit: I myself bought into the video, until I looked at the actual data concerning survival of the virus on various surfaces and how relatively "fragile" this virus actually is.

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If you catch it, it hurts a lot and you may have to go to the hospital.

Except when it doesn’t and you don’t. It is still the case that the vast majority of those infected experience mild to no symptoms and fully recover with minimal discomfort.

It is also important to understand the real reason for our current “stay at home” posture: We have no way to identify the infected until they present with symptoms AND they can be contagious for up to two weeks until that happens. If we were able to test everyone at once, it would be much easier to isolate just the infected than to isolate everybody.

Finally, don’t lose sight of the fact that there WILL be a vaccine for this.

It’s not as if our current situation marks a permanent change in how we will live out our lives.

We're out of ventilators in every major city. There are people dying while waiting for beds in the hospitals. Even those who recover quickly are showing signs of permanent lung damage.

Peak in the US is expected some time late in the next month, or maybe six weeks out.

That puts the end of the worst of it around August.

If we keep this up.

If we go back to work and let up on the washing, all bets are off.

And any real vaccine isn't coming before late 2021.

None of which contradicts anything I wrote.

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I cant effing believe that one dude -- a family dr no less -- has had so much influence on everyone. He should buy lotto, or change his name to Barnum.

Water is more than enough, eating soap can make you sick.

Welcome to the wide wonderful new world of social media, where everyone is an expert/celebrity, and has just as much influence as anyone else, regardless of credentials, background, or facts.

Edit: I myself bought into the video, until I looked at the actual data concerning survival of the virus on various surfaces and how relatively "fragile" this virus actually is.

I have found there is a certain benefit to superstitious ritual as a way to soothe the anxiety, as long as the ritual is benign and not destructive, and as long as I do realize that the behavior is somewhat superstitious. Sometimes going one step beyond what is necessary can be reassuring.

I have been getting a lot of grocery delivery and the packaged non-perishable goods are staged in my hallway according to the date they arrived. After they've been quarantined in the hallway for a week, they go into the pantry. I treat perishables that go directly into the fridge/freezer differently because that turns out to be easiest -- wipe down, wash, or transfer to a clean container as appropriate.

It helps that I have experience with sterile technique from working in the lab, so I have perspective on how much of this is necessary, and how much is simply an anxiolytic.

I have found there is a certain benefit to superstitious ritual as a way to soothe the anxiety, as long as the ritual is benign and not destructive, and as long as I do realize that the behavior is somewhat superstitious. Sometimes going one step beyond what is necessary can be reassuring.

Geeze, I was thinking the same thing, though not nearly as articulate.



None of which contradicts anything I wrote.

I was thinking the same thing as well, but summed it up with a less articulate 'WTF'.



Water is more than enough, eating soap can make you sick.


The idea is to wash the soap off before eating.

I don't agree water is more than enough, or even enough, but that soap is necessary, though it could be merely me using it as an anxiolytic.

Still, it rinses off easily.

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We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

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You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
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I cant effing believe that one dude -- a family dr no less -- has had so much influence on everyone. He should buy lotto, or change his name to Barnum.

Water is more than enough, eating soap can make you sick.

Welcome to the wide wonderful new world of social media, where everyone is an expert/celebrity, and has just as much influence as anyone else, regardless of credentials, background, or facts.

Edit: I myself bought into the video, until I looked at the actual data concerning survival of the virus on various surfaces and how relatively "fragile" this virus actually is.

I have found there is a certain benefit to superstitious ritual as a way to soothe the anxiety, as long as the ritual is benign and not destructive, and as long as I do realize that the behavior is somewhat superstitious. Sometimes going one step beyond what is necessary can be reassuring.

I have been getting a lot of grocery delivery and the packaged non-perishable goods are staged in my hallway according to the date they arrived. After they've been quarantined in the hallway for a week, they go into the pantry. I treat perishables that go directly into the fridge/freezer differently because that turns out to be easiest -- wipe down, wash, or transfer to a clean container as appropriate.

It helps that I have experience with sterile technique from working in the lab, so I have perspective on how much of this is necessary, and how much is simply an anxiolytic.

Yep, so do I (have experience with sterile technique) ... I personally have been going one step beyond (but NOT to the extent as the MD in the video), because I'm in a medium-risk category. I don't see any harm in letting the groceries sit for three days undisturbed***, other than the produce, of course. The produce, I'm thinking maybe a soapy wash, but again you wouldn't want to eat the soap ... and I'd think that a thorough water wash would probably be enough, even without the soap (as recommended by CDC and FDA as a matter of basic food prep precautions, that's what they're currently recommending with corona too).

***A week seems like overkill to me, because I've not seen any convincing data saying that this virus can live longer than three days on a surface, and that's under laboratory conditions, presumably with little or no air circulation, constant temperature, perfectly aerosolized virus particles -- NOT the situation inside one's house.

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