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THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: sekker
Date: August 06, 2020 01:41PM
'The webcam isn’t just better because it has more pixels; it’s also better because Apple is finally applying some modern image processing to the video stream. '

Dieter also has some nice input on the $500 (!) matte screen option.

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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: kurtzie
Date: August 06, 2020 03:10PM
"...What I’m saying is: if you need a 27-inch iMac, this is a good iMac, and you should buy it. I’m sorry that the process is going to include 45 minutes of checking and unchecking the nano texture option while you make up your mind."

This is where I am right now…

Steve
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: August 06, 2020 03:25PM
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kurtzie
"...What I’m saying is: if you need a 27-inch iMac, this is a good iMac, and you should buy it. I’m sorry that the process is going to include 45 minutes of checking and unchecking the nano texture option while you make up your mind."

This is where I am right now…

Steve

You looking at the new iMac or the Pro iMac? I've been to the site a couple times myself.



Mac mini (M1 2020, 16G 2T) Big Sur 11.x Dual 25" Acer 1440p LCDs11" i5 MacBook Air
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: sekker
Date: August 06, 2020 03:25PM
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kurtzie
"...What I’m saying is: if you need a 27-inch iMac, this is a good iMac, and you should buy it. I’m sorry that the process is going to include 45 minutes of checking and unchecking the nano texture option while you make up your mind."

This is where I am right now…

Steve

I'll help.

Work machine and you have limited locations to place it? Pay the ransom.

Home machine and you can place any way you like to minimize glare? Skip it.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: kurtzie
Date: August 06, 2020 03:48PM
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tuqqer
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kurtzie
"...What I’m saying is: if you need a 27-inch iMac, this is a good iMac, and you should buy it. I’m sorry that the process is going to include 45 minutes of checking and unchecking the nano texture option while you make up your mind."

This is where I am right now…

Steve

You looking at the new iMac or the Pro iMac? I've been to the site a couple times myself.

iMac to replace 2012 mini and 27" Apple Thunderbolt Display.

Probably the 3.8Ghz i7 with Radeon 5500



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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: kurtzie
Date: August 06, 2020 03:50PM
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sekker
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kurtzie
"...What I’m saying is: if you need a 27-inch iMac, this is a good iMac, and you should buy it. I’m sorry that the process is going to include 45 minutes of checking and unchecking the nano texture option while you make up your mind."

This is where I am right now…

Steve

I'll help.

Work machine and you have limited locations to place it? Pay the ransom.

Home machine and you can place any way you like to minimize glare? Skip it.

Home machine and and that's pretty much the conclusion I came to.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 06, 2020 04:29PM
"...What I’m saying is: if you need a 27-inch iMac, this is a good iMac, and you should buy it. I’m sorry that the process is going to include 45 minutes of checking and unchecking the nano texture option while you make up your mind."


That made me really, L, LOL.

I've been there many times on much smaller purchase decisions.

Much smaller.





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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: MartyStickle
Date: August 06, 2020 05:43PM
I ordered the mid level 27 in with increased drive size on the education store and got a free pair of AirPods, which I cannot use (hearing aids) and they arrived 24 hours after ordering. They will soon be forwarded to my daughter to use. The computer is listed for delivery on the 20th.

Now I just have to figure out external peripheral like hubs, etc. I'm going from a 2011 iMac Need instruction in usb A, C, thunderbolt, etc.



Asheville, NC Area
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: sekker
Date: August 06, 2020 05:49PM
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MartyStickle
I ordered the mid level 27 in with increased drive size on the education store and got a free pair of AirPods, which I cannot use (hearing aids) and they arrived 24 hours after ordering. They will soon be forwarded to my daughter to use. The computer is listed for delivery on the 20th.

Now I just have to figure out external peripheral like hubs, etc. I'm going from a 2011 iMac Need instruction in usb A, C, thunderbolt, etc.

The new iMac will have USB-A and USB-C ports. What are you needing to connect to?
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: MartyStickle
Date: August 06, 2020 06:15PM
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sekker
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MartyStickle
I ordered the mid level 27 in with increased drive size on the education store and got a free pair of AirPods, which I cannot use (hearing aids) and they arrived 24 hours after ordering. They will soon be forwarded to my daughter to use. The computer is listed for delivery on the 20th.

Now I just have to figure out external peripheral like hubs, etc. I'm going from a 2011 iMac Need instruction in usb A, C, thunderbolt, etc.

The new iMac will have USB-A and USB-C ports. What are you needing to connect to?

Printer and hub to give easier reach in the front. I’m also using a headphone mic thing for presentations and I believe the new iMac does not have a mic input.



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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 06, 2020 07:14PM
I believe the new iMac does not have a mic input.


I don't think so either.

My 2015 iMac doesn't have one.

The new iMac has three beam forming (Applese for 'directional'?

I wonder how they would work for presentations, and if they'd work with earphones plugged in or AirPods





Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: mikebw
Date: August 06, 2020 08:11PM
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RAMd®d
I believe the new iMac does not have a mic input.


I don't think so either.

My 2015 iMac doesn't have one.

The new iMac has three beam forming (Applese for 'directional'?

I wonder how they would work for presentations, and if they'd work with earphones plugged in or AirPods

Beam forming is a thing. Directional mics are also a thing, but not the same thing.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: sekker
Date: August 06, 2020 08:14PM
The built-in mics on my 2019 iMac works great for Zoom calls and video presentations.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: jdc
Date: August 06, 2020 09:14PM
I think im inching closer to the 2020... still waiting on 2019 prices.

Prob go 10 core, 1 TB and 5700. $3K.

I havent seen numbers on the 8 core i7 vs 10 core i9, but the 5700 is significant over the 5500XT. More pipes.

If the i7 is close to the i9... then might skip it. Its a $400 jump.... could use that $$ to bump ram. Want to go past my current 32.. prob add 32 x 2 for a total of 72 GB.





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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 06, 2020 09:33PM
If it hasn't happened yet, your coworkers probably do some level of judging your image quality coming over video conference. It is human nature, even for casual workplace colleagues.



Ways to improve web conference image and sound quality. [forums.macresource.com]


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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 06, 2020 09:47PM
I don’t need a better webcam. I look in the vanity mirror in my bathroom located behind the sink. I look damn good for a 70 y.o. Then I see myself in a window in my Mac using the webcam and my face is all grizzled, wrinkled, splotched, with imperfections everywhere. I can see every hair. I’m ugly as can be. Old, too. Really old. And everybody I FaceTime with sees the old, ugly geezer.



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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: August 06, 2020 09:53PM
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pRICE cUBE
If it hasn't happened yet, your coworkers probably do some level of judging your image quality coming over video conference. It is human nature, even for casual workplace colleagues.

The joke’s on them — I never use my webcam during conference calls. Not sure how I’ve gotten away with it for as long as I have, to be honest.



It is what it is.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 06, 2020 10:24PM
Beam forming is a thing. Directional mics are also a thing, but not the same thing.


And yet they appear to work towards the same end - unidirectionality.

Apple does refer to them as Studio-quality three-mic array with high signal-to-noise ratio and directional beamforming.

I have no idea of the audience level of Marty's presentations - personal, corporate, or commercial and didn't imply that directional mics and beam forming mics were the same thing.

I watch MacBreak Weekly and see regular guest hosts and guest routinely using AirPods for their audio. The quality of audio is quite good. There don't appear to be any other mics in use, though that doesn't mean there aren't any.

So despite your edification I'm still left to my original pondering.
your coworkers probably do some level of judging your image quality coming over video conference. It is human nature, even for casual workplace colleagues.


So trim your nose hair or wear a mask?

I'm this —><— close to give myself a COVID cut and wearing a hoodie for the next year, or until barbershops open again, or I get good ok at cutting my hair.

I'll either take scissors to it a la Super Cuts or make a couple of Wolverine guides for my clippers.

The usual included comb attachments would cut way to close for my taste and are really only for the sides and back edges.

I don't plan on making many personal appearances or presentations.





Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.




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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: Buzz
Date: August 06, 2020 11:39PM
For Zooming, etc., something like one of these USB headphone/mic adapters opens up a whole new (old?) world of audio capabilities...

    

That way you can sound as good as you look with the new webcam.
==
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: jdc
Date: August 07, 2020 03:06AM
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Buzz
For Zooming, etc., something like one of these USB headphone/mic adapters opens up a whole new (old?) world of audio capabilities...
==

ugh, another crap thing about the iMac -- too few USB C ports. Even the mini has 4.

I run 2 extra screens. Both will have to plug into the only 2 USB C ports unless I get a hub. more $. 4 USB A ports are meh.





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RAMd®d...
Posted by: WHiiP
Date: August 07, 2020 08:05AM
What's up with your change of formatting?



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Re: RAMd®d...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 07, 2020 10:12AM
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WHiiP
What's up with your change of formatting?

It means he gave some thought to doing those things but discarded them as options.



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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: Buzz
Date: August 07, 2020 12:24PM
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jdc
Quote
Buzz
For Zooming, etc., something like one of these USB headphone/mic adapters opens up a whole new (old?) world of audio capabilities...
==

ugh, another crap thing about the iMac -- too few USB C ports. Even the mini has 4.

I run 2 extra screens. Both will have to plug into the only 2 USB C ports unless I get a hub. more $. 4 USB A ports are meh.

USB A are fine for audio, and hubs are cheaper. Also, for 2 C/TB port Macs, you only need 1 pricey hub, so it shouldn't hurt too  much...

Or, if either of your monitors has a pass thru, you're golden w/o a hub.
==
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Re: RAMd®d...
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: August 07, 2020 12:46PM
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WHiiP
What's up with your change of formatting?

Looks like a one-off unique to this thread -- none of his other posts appear like that.



It is what it is.
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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: jdc
Date: August 07, 2020 01:01PM
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Buzz
USB A are fine for audio, and hubs are cheaper. Also, for 2 C/TB port Macs, you only need 1 pricey hub, so it shouldn't hurt too  much...

Or, if either of your monitors has a pass thru, you're golden w/o a hub.
==

Yeah, no dice, monitors are good Ultgrasharps, with USB A hubs... but thats it. Connected via display port.

Everything I want Just keeps adding up, go figure =)





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Re: THE NEW 27-INCH IMAC’S WEBCAM ISN’T JUST BETTER; IT’S SMARTER
Posted by: sekker
Date: August 07, 2020 01:50PM
Noting that USB-C hubs are becoming a commodity. Many are less than $20 to add a TON of ports. This is the best part of the USB-C future.
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WHiiP
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 07, 2020 01:57PM
What's up with your change of formatting?


For want of a bracket the post is lost.

Now it's found.

Thanks for the H/U, WHiiP!





Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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