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Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: stephen
Date: November 13, 2020 03:40AM
I had my most important presentation of the month, and my work iMac completely crapped out.

I tried to force quit and reboot and it took 20 plus minutes. I tried to print a PDF and it took 10 minutes. Then WebEx performance was so broken up and my mic was creating echos and I finally had to mute and let someone else present.

My IT guy says this had something to do with it.

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I am livid.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 13, 2020 03:52AM
My wife’s employer, a small college, forbid all employees to move to Big Sur until the bugs are known and fixed.



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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: GGD
Date: November 13, 2020 04:07AM
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Speedy
My wife’s employer, a small college, forbid all employees to move to Big Sur until the bugs are known and fixed.

I think his complaint was about Catalina. It sounds like all of the BigSur downloading essentially caused a denial of service attack on Apple's servers, preventing Catalina's check-ins with the server to verify apps when attempting to launch to be extremely slow or fail.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: November 13, 2020 05:06AM
From a tweet by Panic:

Looks like, when apps are launched, Gatekeeper is unable to check their validity over the internet, due to overwhelmed Apple servers.


Ok, exactly what does this mean to me, at home launching apps on my mini running Catalina, apps that I may have used without issue weeks before?

Because at first blush, to someone like me who seldom needs to look under the hood any more, without an internet connection, using Cat at home for 'local' stuff wouldn't be possible.

That can't be right.

Right?!




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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: space-time
Date: November 13, 2020 05:55AM
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stephen
I had my most important presentation of the month, and my work iMac completely crapped out.

I tried to force quit and reboot and it took 20 plus minutes. I tried to print a PDF and it took 10 minutes. Then WebEx performance was so broken up and my mic was creating echos and I finally had to mute and let someone else present.

My IT guy says this had something to do with it.

[9to5mac.com]

I am livid.

never update a mission critical Mac until things are well tested out. and even then, have backups and boot from a clone if things go wrong.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 13, 2020 06:00AM
Programmers, and not just Apple, need to stop with all the bells and whistles that 95% of users don't know or care about. The beauty of the MacOS was it's simplicity - it just worked. Now they are sticky stuff in just because of the cool factor or "we have it and they don't". Then when Joe Schmo tries to just check his email or listen to a song or look at Facebook - the whole system crashes.

Someone needs to remind programmers of the KISS principle.



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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: November 13, 2020 06:38AM
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RAMd®d
Ok, exactly what does this mean to me, at home launching apps on my mini running Catalina, apps that I may have used without issue weeks before?

Nothing for the old apps.

But let's say that Microsoft Office Updater has been running quietly in th background and has updated your Office apps to v16.47 from v16.43. Now you've got new apps that need to be verified and can't be.

And if you've set Adobe CC Desktop to automatically update apps, you may have a similar problem.

And let's say you're like the OP and you need to join a Webex meeting. Clicking the link to join will download a fresh copy of the app and that triggers Gatekeeper, too.

Welcome to the age of "you don't own your software." Even with a "perpetual" license, Apple gets to say when you can run your apps.



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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: November 13, 2020 06:42AM
But let's say that Microsoft Office Updater has been running quietly in th background and has updated your Office apps to v16.47 from v16.43. Now you've got new apps that need to be verified and can't be.


Ok, but once those two apps have been verified and the update completed, they won't need to be verified again, until the next round of updates?




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all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 13, 2020 06:46AM
Epic Fail on Apple’s part.

Hope their new Silicon Macs are better. At least Big Sur comes pre-installed.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: November 13, 2020 06:48AM
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RAMd®d
Ok, but once those two apps have been verified and the update completed, they won't need to be verified again, until the next round of updates?

[en.wikipedia.org])

Once an application has passed File Quarantine or Gatekeeper, it will be allowed to run normally and will not be verified again.



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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: stephen
Date: November 13, 2020 06:54AM
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space-time

never update a mission critical Mac until things are well tested out. and even then, have backups and boot from a clone if things go wrong.

That’s the point. I wasn’t updating anything.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: space-time
Date: November 13, 2020 07:33AM
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stephen
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space-time

never update a mission critical Mac until things are well tested out. and even then, have backups and boot from a clone if things go wrong.

That’s the point. I wasn’t updating anything.

Oh sorry, I didn't realize what you were saying. My apologies!!!

That is really a bad thing what Apple did.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: November 13, 2020 07:36AM
......so not to Sur.....with Love......???



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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: November 13, 2020 08:02AM
I guess my problem with kernel panics within 60 seconds of start-up after installing Big Sur was a different problem.
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: jonny
Date: November 13, 2020 09:22AM


So the days of "Open Anyway" are gone for good?



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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: FormerlySaleenl
Date: November 13, 2020 09:26AM
We were frantically trying to troubleshoot why everyone's machines in the house had become unresponsive at the same time but once they were up we had a huge spike in support tickets due to this. (Not like we didn't already have a ton due to Big Sur.) What a situation that Apple created!!!
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Re: Big Sur release crapped out thousands of Macs running Catalina
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 13, 2020 01:43PM
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jonny


So the days of "Open Anyway" are gone for good?

There were changes starting with Catalina, but I thought there were settings you could turn on to override Gatekeeper.

But I do not have any Big Sur machines, and there's no way I'm going to put anything from Github etc on a work machine anyway.
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