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Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: February 15, 2021 12:15AM
Just seems annoying.



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: February 15, 2021 12:46AM
Are you sure it's actually missing?

I'm on Sierra, and the path to that program is really funny.

Macintosh HD/System/Library/CoreServices/Applications/Network Utility.app
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: February 15, 2021 01:21AM
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freeradical
Are you sure it's actually missing?

I'm on Sierra, and the path to that program is really funny.

Macintosh HD/System/Library/CoreServices/Applications/Network Utility.app

The app is still there in Big Sur, but when you launch it a splash screen comes up stating that the app has been deprecated in BS.



It is what it is.
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: February 15, 2021 02:04AM
I assume it still works? Anyways, Network Utility is part of a group of utilities Apple moved from the normal Utilities folder several versions ago to that Library location. Perhaps there is a developers note on what they are replacing it with. Otherwise the functions are not too hard to find from other apps.
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 15, 2021 06:40AM
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JoeH
I assume it still works? Anyways, Network Utility is part of a group of utilities Apple moved from the normal Utilities folder several versions ago to that Library location. Perhaps there is a developers note on what they are replacing it with. Otherwise the functions are not too hard to find from other apps.

It's been killed.

They are not replacing it.



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: February 15, 2021 06:40AM
To force you to use Unix commands like ifconfig & netstat?

Macintosh HD/System/Library/CoreServices/Applications/Network Utility.app
Still there in Mojave.



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: February 15, 2021 08:40AM
Well sure enough, they did remove it. Or "deprecated" it.



Interesting: I found this only by typing it into Spotlight. Discovered that this de-commissioned app now only lives in

HD/System/Library/CoreServices/Applications

... along with a few other weirdo applications.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2021 08:45AM by tuqqer.
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: February 15, 2021 09:04AM
.....so self.....deprecated.......???



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: February 15, 2021 10:20AM
.....f.....utility....????



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 15, 2021 10:25AM
This is very odd. I am not a network guru, and I still use this utility.
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: February 15, 2021 10:38AM
Oh well, an opportunity for some app developer to create a new GUI frontend for the underlying command line utilities that Network Utility provides.

Whoever created the message window should be demoted, deprecated normally does not mean discontinued. Its usual meaning is "to be discontinued in a future release."
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: February 15, 2021 11:09AM
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JoeH
Oh well, an opportunity for some app developer to create a new GUI frontend for the underlying command line utilities that Network Utility provides."

Going by memory here, but I believe Cocktail may offer some or all of the same functionality.



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: February 15, 2021 11:23AM
....that's what she said....!!



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: space-time
Date: February 15, 2021 01:13PM
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JoeH
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Whoever created the message window should be demoted, deprecated normally does not mean discontinued. Its usual meaning is "to be discontinued in a future release."

Also the App is still there. They just disabled it.

On MacBook Air with Mojave, the Network Utility takes 1.6 MB of SSD space (512 GB SSD). On a new M1 MacBook Air, it takes 2.1 MB SSD space (1 TB SSD). I am not sure if the block size is the same or not, especially since are different machines, different OS, different architecture, and so on. They are both version 1.9.2

I bet it would still work if you knew hot to bypass that screen.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2021 01:14PM by space-time.
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: February 15, 2021 01:46PM
A couple of things -

"Deprecated" usually means available but will soon be removed. At best I can tell they made it useless.

The thing is still about the same size on your hard drive as it was before. Its my guess that most of the code is still there - but why?

There must be some sort of dependency on it.



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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: February 15, 2021 02:46PM
Maybe you can just take an older copy of it and stick it into:

/Applications/Utilities


Worth a shot anyway
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Re: Why did Apple remove Network Utility from Big Sur?
Posted by: decay
Date: February 15, 2021 04:22PM
Sounds more like DISABLED, not deprecated.

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