As far as I know, I did not make the folding team. I was one promoting it however.

I believe Mac_Max started it, I'm not sure.

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Just because it has two clutches, shifts faster, uses a torque converter or has near-infinite gear ratios, requires less driver intervention and is more efficient doesn't make it better in my opinion.
Save The Manual Transmission

Hmm.. you 'd THINK there'd be a way to find out who the founder of a team was by going to the Stanford site... but I'm not seeing a way.

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Good is the enemy of Excellent. Talent is not necessary for Excellence.
Persistence is necessary for Excellence. And Persistence is a Decision.
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Mac_Max did start the team and we helped promote it.

I talked to Max about this the other night. We think the best thing to do is turn the team over to those who are still on the Dealmac forum.

It would be a move in bad faith for some that are helping to have the team all of a sudden changed on them.

I suggest that we start a new team. While we did discuss team OSX, we felt that our own team would engender some friendly competition on the forum while helping a good cause.

I will look into later today of people are interested.

pRON aHOLIC Wrote:
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> I suggest that we start a new team. While we did
> discuss team OSX, we felt that our own team would
> engender some friendly competition on the forum
> while helping a good cause.

What!!!

I can give up my 6,000+ DM post count.

I can give up my "Member #22" status.

But my 177,000+ DM folding team points and top-ten (once as high as #2) status?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!111one!!11

I lost several machines when my company's firewall blocked F@H. I'll never get back to my 1,000 point-per-day folding rate!

*off to Apple store to check on quad G5 refurbs*

Actually, I should wait for MacIntel. Macs suck at folding. Damn sTinker WUs.

Well, the topic is up for discussion. Some advantages of starting over is a new competition. The drawback, we all start at 0. The important thing, we helped a good cause. Maybe the best thing to do is contact all that are folding, if the majority want to change the name then we can ask Max.

Opinions are welcome.


Lux Interior Wrote:
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> pRON aHOLIC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I suggest that we start a new team. While we
> did
> > discuss team OSX, we felt that our own team
> would
> > engender some friendly competition on the
> forum
> > while helping a good cause.
>
> What!!!
>
> I can give up my 6,000+ DM post count.
>
> I can give up my "Member #22" status.
>
> But my 177,000+ DM folding team points and top-ten
> (once as high as #2) status?
>
> Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!111one!!11
>
> I lost several machines when my company's firewall
> blocked F@H. I'll never get back to my 1,000
> point-per-day folding rate!
>
> *off to Apple store to check on quad G5 refurbs*
>
> Actually, I should wait for MacIntel. Macs suck at
> folding. Damn sTinker WUs.

pRON, will you do whatever it takes to start a new one? I am in, when it happens.
You are a heavy hitter with F@H so you may be the logical one to create the new team.

I really do not care about my old points-- it is all for a good cause, but a new team might be a good way to cement our new forum togetherness... and we'd all start anew with some friendly competition.

Maybe this is overly democratic/republic of me...
But perhaps polling, say, the top 50 on the Team to ask;
"Would you prefer to;
A) Split the team, leaving the DM team and forming a new folding team
B) Just leave it alone and whomever choses to leave, do so
C) Change the name of the Team to (insert new name here), a non-forum tied name.
or
D) Change the name of the Team to (insert new name here), a reference to Larry's MacResource Forum.


Personally, I WOULD hate to lose all my points-progress, so I would prefer option's C or D, but I'd be OK with just forming a NEW team.

I prefer the community team spirit of having a separate team, made up of people who I have a loose association with via a forum (or two)...rather than joining up with a larger team that is comprised of people I don't know, and have no connection with.

Just my views.

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A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca c. 5 BC - 65 AD
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Good is the enemy of Excellent. Talent is not necessary for Excellence.
Persistence is necessary for Excellence. And Persistence is a Decision.
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You don't actually get totally wiped out if you keep the same user name and switch teams. If you decide to move on to different team, you start fresh with new team. However, if you look up individual stats, it will show cumulative stats of yourself at the top box, then shows the next two boxes of points awarded to specified team (more of an history of your past team and present team point accumulation). I don't know how overclockers handles the data though.

I can but let's take a little time to work it all out. In the meantime our machines are still folding for a good cause.


Phy Wrote:
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> pRON, will you do whatever it takes to start a new
> one? I am in, when it happens.
> You are a heavy hitter with F@H so you may be the
> logical one to create the new team.
>

Well, if we don't get onthedownlow (aka Christopher Boyce) in, we are destined to fold away in anonymity at the bottom of the pack.

I see he has registered, but not posted.

The top 20 for today:

1     ChristopherBoyce     6,347  2,146,890
2     JoeBob               2,685    186,148
3     pRON_ti              1,056    256,624
4     ztirffritz             821    292,661
5     mikeace                761    218,631
6     kj4btkljv              689    130,525
7     Cipater                653     46,619
8     DoFa                   618    156,609
9     Paul_F.                600    207,200
10    Phy                    476     44,891
11    VP_FranX               472     47,278
12    mechegod               468    144,945
13    Randy_B_2G5            465     67,208
14    Donkey_Hotay           457     97,558
15    mtmind                 427    102,992
16    Tom_Kittens            423     38,711
17    TheTominator           377    189,093
18    Farmermac              358     38,706
19    Harbourmaster          354    102,262
20    BillMac                353     93,821

Lux Interior Wrote:
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> Well, if we don't get onthedownlow (aka
> Christopher Boyce) in, we are destined to fold
> away in anonymity at the bottom of the pack.

Better to "fold away in anonymity" with friends than to fold in a hostile environment!
That said-- better to fold anywhere, than not to fold.

Phy Wrote:
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> Better to "fold away in anonymity" with friends
> than to fold in a hostile environment!
> That said-- better to fold anywhere, than not to
> fold.

Hostile in what way? It's just the team name. It's not connected to the Other Place in any other way.

can we rename it "BLMbusters"?

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I've fallen so far behind with my folding that I don't mind starting over with a new team.

I have nearly as many units as Mr. Boyce (~350 to his 8000) therefore, you can see that I have a vested interest in this as well.

My opinion counts!

The DealMac Folding team had a place on this earth, but that day is gone, at least with me as a member. In fact...I'm sorry, but I just can't avoid talking about DealMac if we are going to discuss the DealMac Folding Team.

For practical reasons, I have to confine my discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which I have something new to say. As amazing as it seems, DealMac is the éminence grise behind every plot to play the blame game.

That's pretty transparent.

What's not so transparent is the answer to the following question: Why aren't our children being warned about it in school?

A clue might be that there are two kinds of people in this world. There are those who suborn puerile, neurotic franions to make a mockery of the term "antiprestidigitation", and there are those who institute change.

The DealMac Folding Team fits neatly into the former category, of course, by design and association.

DealMac wants to get me thrown in jail. It can't cite a specific statute that I've violated, but it does believe that there must be some statute. This tells me that the DealMac Folding Team is ignoring a breathtaking number of facts, most notably:

Fact: It is appalling to me that DealMac has managed to dilute the nation's sense of common purpose and shared sacrifice.

In addition, if it were to turn peaceful gatherings into embarrassing scandals, social upheaval and violence would follow. It is therefore clear that when I say that mere association tends to lend credence to the DealMac Folding Team's apple-polishers because people assume they can't be that bad if a respected person is associated with them, this does not, I repeat, does not mean that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to invade every private corner and force every thought into an audacious mold. This is a common fallacy held by biggety fomenters of revolution.

No matter what Dealmac or the DealMac Folding Team thinks, some people think it's a bit extreme of me to shape a world of dignity and harmony, a world of justice, solidarity, liberty, and prosperity -- a bit over the top, perhaps.

Well, what I ought to remind such people is that it's really not bloody-mindedness that compels me to shed the light of truth on the evil that is DealMac.

It's my sense of responsibility to you, the reader.

DealMac is totally mistaken if it believes that its army of prissy purveyors of malice and hatred is looking out for our interests. While I don't know DealMac's secret plans, I do know that one does not have to supply the chains that bind the individual to notions of self-loathing and unworthiness in order to supply the missing ingredient that could stop the worldwide slide into snobbism. It is a larcenous person who believes otherwise.

DealMac attracts exploitative parasites to its polity by telling them that it has the trappings of deity. I suppose the people to whom it tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others.

Whether or not that's the case, DealMac likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why it doesn't do us much good to become angry and wave our arms and shout about the evils of its plans for the future in general terms. If we want other people to agree with us and join forces with us, then we must illustrate the virtues that it lacks -- courage, truthfulness, courtesy, honesty, diligence, chivalry, loyalty, and industry.

There is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until DealMac and its cult followers started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that when I hear DealMac Folding Team members say that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that it can dole out or retract, I have to wonder about it. Is it absolutely immoral? Is it simply being indelicate? Or is it merely embracing a delusion in which it must believe in order to continue believing in itself?

You see, DealMac, serving as judge, jury, and executioner, has decreed that we should all bear the brunt of its actions. But what, you may ask, does any of that have to do with the theme of this letter, viz., that its paroxysms are a sink-pit of degeneracy, corruption, and ugliness?

Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? But in case you don't, then you should note that it is firmly convinced that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not. Its belief is controverted, however, by the weight of the evidence indicating that the facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that it is better that a hundred thousand people should perish than that DealMac should be even slightly inconvenienced.

If the DealMac Folding Team condes this, and continues to detach individuals from traditional sources of strength and identity -- family, class, private associations -- the result can be a tone-deafness, a cluelessness, on matters that are at the center of experience for vast segments of the population.

We have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction, or is it sufficient to address the legitimate anger, fear, and alienation of people who have been mobilized by DealMac because they saw no other options for change?

I'll tell you the answer in a moment. But first, let me just say that DealMac may have been offering militant evil-doers a lot of money to disguise the complexity of color, the brutality of class, and the importance of religion and sexual identity in the construction and practice of adversarialism.

This is blood money, plain and simple. Anyone thinking of accepting it should realize that DealMac accuses me of being narrow-minded. Does it assert I'm narrow-minded because I refuse to accept its claim that it knows 100% of everything 100% of the time? If so, then I guess I'm as narrow-minded as I could possibly be.

DealMac demands obeisance from its compeers. Then, once they prove their loyalty, DealMac forces them to twist our entire societal valuation of love and relationships beyond all insanity.

It has long been obvious to attentive observers that DealMac enjoys pondering new ways to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. But did you know that it's really hard to take someone as antihumanist as DealMac very seriously? DealMac doesn't want you to know that because I want to honor our nation's glorious mosaic of cultures and ethnicities.

That may seem simple enough, but it is a wee bit overzealous in its defense of radicalism. Get that straight, please. Any other thinking is blame-shoving or responsibility-dodging.

Furthermore, DealMac will likely claim to have turned over a new leaf shortly after getting caught trying to organize a whispering campaign against me. This claim is an outright lie that is still being circulated by DealMac's accomplices, including members of the DealMac Folding Team.

The truth is that DealMac is undeniably up to something. I don't know exactly what, but honor means nothing to it. Principles mean nothing to it. All it cares about is how best to biologically or psychologically engineer sinister scapegraces of one sort or another to make them even more mingy than they already are.

Why is DealMac really so judgmental?

Is it because when all discoverable facts and experience fly in the face of its piteous world view, it stubbornly holds onto its ignorance as its birthright?

Or because it has no sense of personal boundaries?

Well, I'm beginnning to believe that the DealMac Folding Team would rather mollycoddle flighty authoritarians than answer that particular question.

Although some ugly party animals reluctantly concede that forbearance and kindly deportment are lost upon the DealMac Folding Team, they invariably deny that you shouldn't let DealMac intimidate you.

You shouldn't let it push you around. We're the ones who are right, not DealMac.

"What's that?", I hear you ask. "Is it true that DealMac simply regurgitates the empty arguments that have been fed to it over the years?" Why, yes, it is.

I must admit that I don't completely understand them. Perhaps I need to get out more.

j



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2005 08:26PM by Jimmypoo.

LMAO, Jimmy!
Yeah, you do need to get out more.

Hey JP, I'll just wait for the trilogy to come out in theaters ok?

FWIW - we did put this folding team up as a temp maybe if the other options are not resolved to:

New team Team MacResource with number 48057 has been founded by OWC Jamie
(The team page will link to homepage at and link to a logo graphic at [news.macresource.com]


Any client program can contribute to the statistics for this team by putting the number 48057 in the team field
(right-click to configure a client program)


We just starting kicking machines onto it... only a score of 194 so far... needs some help.

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Other World Computing
[www.macsales.com]

OK
I have started the switchover.

I just switched numbers for all my (4) processors.
So--- will our stats start to show up as soon as completed WU's begin trickling (soon to be flooding) in?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2005 07:56PM by Phy.

The F@H stats page for our new team is at:
[fah-web.stanford.edu]

My first numbers just showed up!

Congrats, Pipiens.
It will be after midnight PST before any of mine are finished.

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"Out of the quarrel with others we make rhetoric; out of the quarrel with ourselves we make poetry." -William Butler Yeats

Switcher!

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You're leading, Pipiens!
But when he heavy hiotters join up, watch out...

My Protein looks complex. Wire and Stick view. Just started.

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My life goes smoothly and in regular intervals

Welcome aboard to "The Tominator"

Just got my machines re-configured for the new team. Should see results in a couple of days. Weeee.

Paul F. Wrote:
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> I prefer the community team spirit of having a
> separate team, made up of people who I have a
> loose association with via a forum (or
> two)...rather than joining up with a larger team
> that is comprised of people I don't know, and have
> no connection with.

If you hung out at the Team MacOS X forums then you would know people there and be part of their community team spirit. ;)

I switched 5 computers to the new team tonight.
Hopefully some more in a day or so.
It will take some time to reconfigure all my computers, each one has to be done manually.