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How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: archipirata
Date: March 03, 2021 03:16PM
I have avoided adding 2 factor identification to my Apple ID but now I no longer have a choice. Apple is making some of their services (iTunes connect and others) only work if you have 2FA enabled. And since I use those I'll have to make the leap.

I understand the need for security but it's a nightmare of constant logins and codes on all the systems at my University so I am hoping Apple's implementation will be better but not holding my breath.



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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: March 03, 2021 03:28PM
It used to be profoundly broken, but they've made it significantly better. Honestly, the best implementation that I've encountered has been Yahoo's. Both Google and Apple have copied that model now. They just send a prompt to your phone and/or one of their apps that prompts you to confirm your login attempt. When I try to do something with Google, the Youtube app asks me if I'm trying to login at this other device. If I'm doing something with Apple I get a prompt on all of my logged in devices to confirm it.



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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: hal
Date: March 03, 2021 03:38PM
This is the first I've heard that any apple service that actually REQUIRED 2FA, but they have been trying to guide people that way for a long time and many people have mistaken the strong suggestion for an absolute requirement.

I will avoid 2fa forever if possible
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 03, 2021 03:40PM
I think it works well although it had problems in the past. Even at its worst it was still better than getting hacked.



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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: archipirata
Date: March 03, 2021 03:43PM
Here's Apple's email from today:

"As of today, additional authentication is required for all users to sign in to iTunes Connect. This extra layer of security for your Apple ID helps ensure that you’re the only person who can access your account. If you have not already updated your account, you will be prompted to make the update when you sign in.

Best regards,

The Apple Books Team"



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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: hal
Date: March 03, 2021 04:09PM
I guess we were warned about this a while ago, but I didjn't notice...

the 9 to 5 art says that the req is NOT 2FA - it sounds like you only need to authenticate a new device ONCE - not every time you log in

[support.apple.com]

[9to5mac.com]
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 03, 2021 04:12PM
I've never used iTunes Connect but am a happy Apple 2FA user for some years now.

For me, it ... just works.

It's iCloud that used to be screwed up for me, but now that works.

I still sometimes get Google not understanding why I'm using the same browser or computer however.

I just finished migrating this Mac. I had to re-input my Apple ID passwords (one used for my account, another because we actually keep an iTunes account separate). My iPhone asked me if it's OK, input the code and it's done.

Google managed to carry over all my various Gmail passwords except the one that matters most. Of course it was sitting right there in Keychain, which is where I always retrieve this stuff from LOL.
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: March 03, 2021 05:20PM
Apple’s 2FA it’s fine, transparent for the most part.
Login on a device, another gets a notification. Is it a number? I think it is...
Can’t remember because I don’t usually logout from my devices.
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: Forrest
Date: March 03, 2021 05:30PM
I think Apple 2FA is a one time thing, at least that's my experience. Whenever I get a new iPad, or log onto a new account under OSX, I'm required to log on from another device I own and once that's successful - all is good.
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 03, 2021 06:35PM
Was required for using the iCloud family sharing plan.

I agree that Apple has greatly improved. Was a nightmare at first.

But seems no worse than other options.
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: GGD
Date: March 03, 2021 07:24PM
It has been required for developer accounts for a few years now.
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 03, 2021 08:14PM
Someone here the other day said that they had reported a bunch of 2FA stuff to Apple years ago, and that they fixed those things. Who's the hero here??
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 04, 2021 06:26AM
It used to be bad, now it seems to work fine.
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 04, 2021 08:01AM
......bad to the bone......if you can avoid it, do it.......once you convert, you can't go back......



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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 04, 2021 08:41AM
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NewtonMP2100
......bad to the bone......if you can avoid it, do it.......once you convert, you can't go back......

I think that's an outdated view.

2FA is far better security, and in most cases, the best practical solution we have today.

If more people used it, there would be less online fraud.

Apple started out terribly, but this thread reminded me how much better it's been in the last year - and, honestly, as good as google (which was the 2FA leader awhile ago).

Turn it on, use it, and know your data is more secure.
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I like it.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 04, 2021 04:03PM
It used to be profoundly broken, but they've made it significantly better.


This has been my experience, exactly.

One problem is if one didn't have a second device nearby or compatible OS to receive the 2FA code.

That was a huge problem for me, so I called Apple and they helped me get sorted.

Then they made a change that entailed adding the code in the same window as the password, after the password.

That was a turning point, and now, after updating an OS or two, I'm fine with it.

I'm not mistaken, the code may have arrived on my Watch (while on WiFi) but I'm not sure about that.

I'm still reluctant to use it in various sites' apps, if it's even possible.

In that instance, I wish the apps required a passcode along with Face (or Touch) ID. Maybe not as secure as 2FA, but another layer.




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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 04, 2021 09:17PM
wait until they come up with threesome factor authentication
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Re: How bad is Apple ID 2FA?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 05, 2021 03:47AM
wait until they come up with threesome factor authentication


You'll probably have to wait until 2FA is found to be routinely hackable, and not through social engineering.

When that happens, you can contrast its pros and cons with those of identity theft and make an informed choice.

Or no security at all, the ultimate of convenience, and just never use the internet for anything of any importance.

Save the critical data for pen and paper.




Two for two, I'm good now.

We are a government of laws, not men.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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