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I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: March 09, 2021 11:14PM
If there is something that could go wrong with the new M1 machines I'm finding it...ugg. Had too many big downloads and ran out of disk space. Machine crashed and upon reboot went into recovery mode. Wasn't able to do anything as it said there was no administrator account(not true). Tried to revive it and was met with this:



Apple is really slipping. These machines are are not fully vetted. Never should have been able to run out of disk space and it certainly should have been able to recover from that given the new "protected system drive" in Big Sur.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 09, 2021 11:30PM
Bummer.

Ours has been great, even using video editing and other large files. But we haven’t really pushed the storage.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 10, 2021 01:26AM
Bummer x 2.

We have 2 base M1 MBAs since Christmas, and a M1 mini (couldn't pass up the $599 deal) for about a week -- all 100% rock solid. All of them used 5+ days a week all day, for school and work. Zoom, VPN, google docs and Minecraft... all butter.

MBAs started fresh, but for the mini I cloned from an older system. Maybe 150 GB via ethernet, easy peasy, and pretty fast even tho the old drive was a slow spinner.

I think trying to copy over too much data could have the potential to crash any mac, M1 or not. Seems like something I would want to avoid? Dunno how old it is, but you could always call apple and run thru some troubleshooting? maybe a bad one.





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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 10, 2021 06:13AM
Bummer2
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: March 10, 2021 06:45AM
Sad to hear of your misfortune.
jdc makes a valid point, maybe a bad one.

That said, this is reinforcing my earlier posted 'policy';
But, I'm a firm believer in not buying version one of anything
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: March 10, 2021 06:53AM
1. How's your backup?

2. Got another Mac running Configurator 2?



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: Bernie
Date: March 10, 2021 07:02AM
I guess you haven't read my threads.

Most of my PROBLEMS were self inflicted trying to get things work as they SHOULD.
My extra Mouse buttons didn't work and playing with Logitech plug-ins I managed to screw up my keyboards.
Printer was a nail bitter. SnapScan download and it went well.
All good experience. Reminds me I have to that that again too.

Yes I wiped and reinstalled.

I will do all this again and hope it goes better.

Wishing C(-)ris all the best




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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: modelamac
Date: March 10, 2021 07:53AM
C(-)ris,

I ran into the same roadblock with my M1 mini when trying to create a bootable external drive. I still have not been able to do that. The one thing I have not tried is to make one with my 2018 MBA and see if that works on the mini.


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C(-)ris
If there is something that could go wrong with the new M1 machines I'm finding it...ugg. Had too many big downloads and ran out of disk space. Machine crashed and upon reboot went into recovery mode. Wasn't able to do anything as it said there was no administrator account(not true).



Ed (modelamac)

I think I will just put an OUT OF ORDER
sticker on my head and call it a day.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 10, 2021 09:23AM
Hard to make bootable external drives for M1 Macs? How odd.

I have not tried, but wouldn't it be the same basic process as doing one for any Mac Catalina or more recent? That is different than before Catalina for sure, but can be done. I made two bootable drives for Catalina last weekend. The easiest way was to just use CCC from a working internal drive onto an external SSD.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 09:41AM
Those sound to me like they are Big Sur issues, not hardware issues.



It is what it is.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 10, 2021 09:45AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
Those sound to me like they are Big Sur issues, not hardware issues.

My thinking as well.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: March 10, 2021 10:41AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
Those sound to me like they are Big Sur issues, not hardware issues.

I’m following the thread out of sheer curiosity, so I may be missing something specific but, the original issue came out of a user miscalculation.
The behavior of the system owes more to how different is MacOS from OSX.
But we all know it’s not a good idea to get a system drive filled up.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 10, 2021 10:46AM
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rich in distress
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N-OS X-tasy!
Those sound to me like they are Big Sur issues, not hardware issues.

I’m following the thread out of sheer curiosity, so I may be missing something specific but, the original issue came out of a user miscalculation.
The behavior of the system owes more to how different is MacOS from OSX.
But we all know it’s not a good idea to get a system drive filled up.

I agree that one should not be able to fill up a boot drive, but that's been the Mac OS Way for decades.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 10:51AM
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rich in distress
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N-OS X-tasy!
Those sound to me like they are Big Sur issues, not hardware issues.

I’m following the thread out of sheer curiosity, so I may be missing something specific but, the original issue came out of a user miscalculation.
The behavior of the system owes more to how different is MacOS from OSX.
But we all know it’s not a good idea to get a system drive filled up.

The "no admin users" issue stands on its own and is clearly not a hardware issue.

The storage issue... well, I do recall advising purchasers of the new M1 hardware to purchase more storage capacity than they thought they might need. Failing that, it's relatively easy to add external storage.

If this were me, I would proceed as follows:

- install additional external storage
- install Big Sur onto an external drive
- boot M1 from the external Big Sur drive
- move data from internal storage to external storage
- verify that at least one account on the internal BS install has admin rights
- reboot from internal drive to see if problem is solved



It is what it is.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: btfc
Date: March 10, 2021 11:40AM
“BS install”

smiley-laughing001


I’ve had good luck using Recovery Mode to install a new system on the external and migrating as needed.


‘USING AN EXTERNAL DRIVE AS YOUR STARTUP DRIVE: PART 1’

[eshop.macsales.com]


Also remember to use the Startup Security Utility to allow external booting;

[eshop.macsales.com]

( ‘USING AN EXTERNAL DRIVE AS YOUR STARTUP DRIVE: PART 2‘ )



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: vitus
Date: March 10, 2021 12:37PM
I cannot get M1 mini to boot from external. Our kind sponsors told me to talk to Apple (attempting to use Envoy Pro EX). Apple support told me to do something that is impossible. After looking online, a thunderbolt drive _may_ be able to boot. A USB drive? very few accounts of success.

Hoping there is a software fix from Apple.

Carbon Copy Cloner leverages Apple tools. So dead end there.

Fresh OS install will not boot.

Cloning internal drive fails to boot.

Cannot restore from time machine.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 12:40PM
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btfc
Also remember to use the Startup Security Utility to allow external booting;

[eshop.macsales.com]

( ‘USING AN EXTERNAL DRIVE AS YOUR STARTUP DRIVE: PART 2‘ )

I have booted my M1 mini from an external drive numerous times without using SSU. I was under the impression that all M1 Macs use the T2 security chip. What am I missing here?



It is what it is.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: vitus
Date: March 10, 2021 12:54PM
M1 Macs apparently don't use T2


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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: jonny
Date: March 10, 2021 01:03PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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btfc
Also remember to use the Startup Security Utility to allow external booting;

[eshop.macsales.com]

( ‘USING AN EXTERNAL DRIVE AS YOUR STARTUP DRIVE: PART 2‘ )

I have booted my M1 mini from an external drive numerous times without using SSU. I was under the impression that all M1 Macs use the T2 security chip. What am I missing here?
Do you have a recommended formula for creating your startup?
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 01:16PM
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vitus
M1 Macs apparently don't use T2


[support.apple.com]

That's good to know.



It is what it is.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 01:19PM
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jonny
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N-OS X-tasy!
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btfc
Also remember to use the Startup Security Utility to allow external booting;

[eshop.macsales.com]

( ‘USING AN EXTERNAL DRIVE AS YOUR STARTUP DRIVE: PART 2‘ )

I have booted my M1 mini from an external drive numerous times without using SSU. I was under the impression that all M1 Macs use the T2 security chip. What am I missing here?
Do you have a recommended formula for creating your startup?

I simply installed Big Sur onto an empty NVMe SSD. To boot from the drive, I hold down the Option key during startup and select the SSD as the boot drive.

As was pointed out above, my M1 does not include the T2 chip. The link provided above by btfc may include information about additional steps that may be required for a T2-equipped Mac.



It is what it is.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: btfc
Date: March 10, 2021 01:36PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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vitus
M1 Macs apparently don't use T2


[support.apple.com]

That's good to know.


Yes, my post is for Macs with a T2 chip; I did not know that about the M1s. Now off to look into why.

I’ve been holding out for Gen. 2.


M1 Macs have their own version of the Startup Security Utility, accessed by holding down the power button for 10 seconds:


[www.macobserver.com]



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: March 10, 2021 01:59PM
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Sarcany
1. How's your backup?

2. Got another Mac running Configurator 2?

That is what I had to do. I was already familiar with that from the last incident with this laptop getting locked out by installing a kernel extension.

But I shouldn't have to own another Mac to reinstall an OS. That is a problem, though not for me as I have access to plenty of them.


This was the error message when trying to use recovery mode. I was completely locked out of the machine and had to use the configurator method to restore it. Thankfully, this is just a testing machine that doesn't get anything important put on it.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: March 10, 2021 02:07PM
From what I've seen:

1. Just install the OS onto the external drive, and then use Migration Assistant to move data/apps over.

2. Making bootable clones in Big Sur is very tricky.

3. Some useful info here:

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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: btfc
Date: March 10, 2021 02:16PM
More Info:


‘ How to start up your M1 Mac from an external drive ‘

[www.macworld.com]


‘ How To Access Apple M1 Macs’ Hidden Boot Modes That Can Bail You Out Of Jam ‘

[hothardware.com]


TMI: ‘ Apple Platform Security February 2021 ‘

[manuals.info.apple.com]
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 10, 2021 02:38PM
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btfc
More Info:


‘ How to start up your M1 Mac from an external drive ‘

[www.macworld.com]


‘ How To Access Apple M1 Macs’ Hidden Boot Modes That Can Bail You Out Of Jam ‘

[hothardware.com]


TMI: ‘ Apple Platform Security February 2021 ‘

[manuals.info.apple.com]

Wait - you require a TB3 external drive, and USB-C drives cannot be used as external boot drives for M1 Macs?
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: btfc
Date: March 10, 2021 02:44PM
Some of the info I’ve been seeing is somewhat contradictory, hoping for some real world comfirmation.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 10, 2021 02:54PM
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btfc
Some of the info I’ve been seeing is somewhat contradictory, hoping for some real world comfirmation.

I might just have to make a USB-C external Big Sur drive and see for myself.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: Bernie
Date: March 10, 2021 03:33PM
Okay Okay Okay.

I had issues with reinstalling the Big Suck.

I had to do it a couple of times.

You hold down the special combo when starting to get the Holy Grail Screen.

Go to disk utility and wipe the drive.

BUT WAIT.....it showed like 3 drives.

First time I wiped the big one and installed new system. It did not work. I tried again with Disk Utility and my disk dock had sprung to life with the reboot and I accidentally wiped my time machine.

I realize I had screwed up as soon as I clicked and heard it SPINN up.

Fine.

Again

I wiped 2 of the 3 available sections on the SSD and did the reinstall and it worked.




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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: March 10, 2021 04:51PM
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Bernie
Okay Okay Okay.

I had issues with reinstalling the Big Suck.

I had to do it a couple of times.

You hold down the special combo when starting to get the Holy Grail Screen.

Go to disk utility and wipe the drive.

BUT WAIT.....it showed like 3 drives.

First time I wiped the big one and installed new system. It did not work. I tried again with Disk Utility and my disk dock had sprung to life with the reboot and I accidentally wiped my time machine.

I realize I had screwed up as soon as I clicked and heard it SPINN up.

Fine.

Again

I wiped 2 of the 3 available sections on the SSD and did the reinstall and it worked.

I couldn't even access that portion, it said the disk was locked and there were no administrator accounts to unlocked it.

I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 04:57PM
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sekker
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btfc
Some of the info I’ve been seeing is somewhat contradictory, hoping for some real world comfirmation.

I might just have to make a USB-C external Big Sur drive and see for myself.

My external Big Sur SSD is USB-C.



It is what it is.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 04:59PM
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C(-)ris
I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".

No argument there.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 10, 2021 05:08PM
[answered my question by reading the thread again]



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: March 10, 2021 05:34PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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C(-)ris
I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".

No argument there.

None from Apple either. I was in a Zoom with 3 Apple Engineers Monday and Tuesday to get caught up on all things Apple (M1, iPads, Big Sur, AppleTV, wireless implementation, MDM, etc.) and they went over a lot of technical information for enterprise deployments and acknowledged that there were a lot of things that were a less than ideal implementation. Even just getting an M1 into DFU mode is a challenge because there is no onscreen feedback and timing is critical. There is also no firmware password option for M1s. They suggested filling out the feature requests and bug forms as they are being read. Hopefully when the new M1 iron comes out some of the fixes are there for this stuff and that the fixes become available to the other machines as well.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 10, 2021 06:01PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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C(-)ris
I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".

No argument there.

Although we have only been using Bug Sur since December, and mostly used for relatively normal use -- our three M1s have "just worked" right out of the box since day 1...





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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 10, 2021 06:29PM
I want to thank all of you for taking one for the team.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: March 10, 2021 06:38PM
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C(-)ris
I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".

No argument there.

Although we have only been using Bug Sur since December, and mostly used for relatively normal use -- our three M1s have "just worked" right out of the box since day 1...

Have you done anything other than take it out of the box and install software/updates and use it? Tried to do an erase and install? Needed to boot from an external? It does the basics just fine, it is anytime you deviate from what a basic home user would do or have a problem that it gets messy.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 06:51PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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C(-)ris
I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".

No argument there.

None from Apple either. I was in a Zoom with 3 Apple Engineers Monday and Tuesday to get caught up on all things Apple (M1, iPads, Big Sur, AppleTV, wireless implementation, MDM, etc.) and they went over a lot of technical information for enterprise deployments and acknowledged that there were a lot of things that were a less than ideal implementation. Even just getting an M1 into DFU mode is a challenge because there is no onscreen feedback and timing is critical. There is also no firmware password option for M1s. They suggested filling out the feature requests and bug forms as they are being read. Hopefully when the new M1 iron comes out some of the fixes are there for this stuff and that the fixes become available to the other machines as well.

You’ve crossed the streams again — I was referring to Big Sur, not the M1.

And, no, I don’t think I’ll be submitting feedback forms to Apple to ask that they essentially return the OS to the level of stability and usability it enjoyed before the move to BS — that should already be their goal.



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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 10, 2021 06:53PM
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jdc
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N-OS X-tasy!
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C(-)ris
I have had to do that as well, like I said, Big Sur and especially Big Sur on the M1s is not ready for prime time yet. It doesn't "just work".

No argument there.

Although we have only been using Bug Sur since December, and mostly used for relatively normal use -- our three M1s have "just worked" right out of the box since day 1...

I’ve had some minor video issues (well documented by others on the interwebs) along with the ongoing issue of having to reinstall my HP printer after every OS upgrade. Nothing major, but there are things that need a-fixin’ still.



It is what it is.
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 10, 2021 07:26PM
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C(-)ris
It does the basics just fine, it is anytime you deviate from what a basic home user would do or have a problem that it gets messy.

None of what you listed, which is why I specifically stated "relatively normal use" -- in case others read it this and thought it was all doom and gloom.

Postulating as these are the most basic macs sold, normally users of these systems would never need to do more than turn on, migrate and start using. =)

Plenty of videos on YT with peeps doing tons of extra stuff, hubs, drives, multiple screens, etc.





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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: March 11, 2021 08:23PM
Tinkering with the OS is being clearly discouraged. I think it’s a Great!! idea.
All users both basic and advanced are expected to install software and updates, and use the computer.
Erase/install and external boot should be anomalies in computer usage.
It’s not my intention to be confrontational, but I don’t think it’s well settled in the mind of too many people, just how different is the approach in modern computing...
I’m not making any sense haha...
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Re: I am an M1 bug magnet
Posted by: Bernie
Date: March 12, 2021 05:08AM
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rich in distress
Tinkering with the OS is being clearly discouraged. I think it’s a Great!! idea.
All users both basic and advanced are expected to install software and updates, and use the computer.
Erase/install and external boot should be anomalies in computer usage.
It’s not my intention to be confrontational, but I don’t think it’s well settled in the mind of too many people, just how different is the approach in modern computing...
I’m not making any sense haha...

Big Sur for Idiots (condensed)




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