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it's a long shot but ...
Posted by: Fritz
Date: March 10, 2021 07:47AM
anyone happen to know what bass the late Alan Henderson played on early them recordings?
The tone on It's All Over Now is fantastic.
doesn't sound like a Fender or Hagstrom.



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Re: it's a long shot but ...
Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 10, 2021 08:33AM
Could very well have been a Jazz Bass. There are photos of him with one and this video:
[youtu.be]



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Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: March 10, 2021 11:05AM
Found an old, lo-res pix of him.



Two wild guesses; Alembic (1969) or Framus (1946).



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Re: it's a long shot but ...
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: March 10, 2021 11:34AM
Does bass guitar have as much an influence on the sound as six string guitar, because I'm inclined to think it's the amp that shapes the sound (but you guys would know).
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Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 10, 2021 01:18PM
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MrNoBody
Found an old, lo-res pix of him.



Two wild guesses; Alembic (1969) or Framus (1946).

I saw that one too. That’s a Baldwin / Burns Bison bass. They were popular British instruments in the 60’s. I seem to remember seeing John Entwistle with one in an early Who photo.

Here’s one:

[www.vintageandrare.com]



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Re: it's a long shot but ...
Posted by: Fritz
Date: March 10, 2021 01:25PM
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mrbigstuff
Does bass guitar have as much an influence on the sound as six string guitar, because I'm inclined to think it's the amp that shapes the sound (but you guys would know).

Back then, UK studios mostly took DI (no amp, right into the console pre-amp) off a bass, which on Baby Blue it certainly sounds like it, no leakage from other instruments.
That tone on Baby blue is great. The player would have more influence on the sound too. And Alan was apparently the only member of Them what played on all their recordings, not a hired hand like Jimmy Page.



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Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 10, 2021 01:30PM
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mrbigstuff
Does bass guitar have as much an influence on the sound as six string guitar, because I'm inclined to think it's the amp that shapes the sound (but you guys would know).

Yes it can certainly shape the sound of a track. You can hear the difference in sound of Beatles records where Paul played his Hofner compared to Jaco playing his fretless Fender Jazz Bass. Compare those to any Motown or Stax records and you see both McCartney and Jaco’s influences but also how their gear changed the relative sound of the bass in their tunes. Then you can check out John Paul Jones from Zeppelin and see how rock bass evolved from the Beatles time. A pick vs fingers vs thumb also influences the sound as well.



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Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 10, 2021 01:53PM
I love this bass from the Spencer Davis Group.

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Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 10, 2021 02:59PM
If you wanted to look at how bass sound developed in the US during the 60s, James Jamerson, Carol Kaye and Duck Dunn were probably the main innovators.

Here's James Jamerson's isolated track to The 4 Tops' Bernadette:
[youtu.be]

And his isolated bass on Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell's Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing:
[youtu.be]

And some clips from Marvin Gaye's What's Going On:
[youtu.be]

Here's Carol Kaye's bass on Boogaloo:
[youtu.be]

And a clip for The Wrecking Crew and her bass on Good Vibrations:
[youtu.be]



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Re: it's a long shot but ...
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: March 10, 2021 08:01PM
JoeM, very cool. Thanks
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Posted by: comphernation
Date: March 13, 2021 01:59PM
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JoeM
And a clip for The Wrecking Crew and her bass on Good Vibrations:
[youtu.be]

The guy with the hat in that last video (as you know) is Tommy Tedesco, one of our teachers at Musicians Institute in the early ‘80s. His wife, Carmie, was like our den mother. What memories. Thanks!
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