Hmm. Not sure on that. I guess it works for the crowd that needs an SUV, instead of a wagon, but I'd rather a nice wagon. And make it square!

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Ive seen about 4-5 in the last few weeks -- lots of teslas out here in CA, barely get a blip.

STILL don't know why we arent just building everything as PHEV.

I would dig it if my XC 90 had a 100 mile electric that I could choose as my primary, but switch to gas for anything longer. We really don't need ALL electric.

they have a plug in hybrid... but 18 miles on the battery and no way to use battery only --. near useless.

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glad to see Ford making an EV

Inevitable, but why, why, WHY call it a Mustang?!? Seriously, it has nothing whatsoever in common with actual Mustang cars except for a few Ford logos. Although it wouldn't appeal to me personally I could see Ford testing the waters by offering a parallel hybrid option in conventional Mustangs, sure, but to slap the Mustang name on yet another five-door Ford SUV that is also electric seems like a very bad idea from a marketing standpoint. Way to @#$%& out and needlessly dilute the one model name you have left with any loyalty to it, Ford.

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TSS - you clearly have not driven a good EV, or the answer to why it's called a Mustang would be apparent to you. They are fast and fun to drive.

And did I say they are fast?

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TSS - you clearly have not driven a good EV, or the answer to why it's called a Mustang would be apparent to you. They are fast and fun to drive.

And did I say they are fast?

Hence my admission that an electric or hybrid drivetrain option might not be a bad idea in a real Mustang (a major concession for me). But, more than three doors = NOT a Mustang, and an SUV = DEFINITELY not a Mustang. If Ford decided to slap a Country Squire wagon or Expedition SUV badges on an otherwise unmodified Mustang would the Mustang suddenly become one of those? No, it would still be simply a regular Mustang with incorrect badging on it the same as this five-door electric SUV is in no way a Mustang no matter what the lettering on the tailgate says.

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PHEV is a bandaid solution at best. I LOVE my Volt, but I know that its days are numbered. It has all the best traits of EVs in addition to the best traits of ICE vehicles. The problem is that it also has the worst traits of both. In an ICE dominated market it's great because I get fantastic fuel economy but can still use gas if I need more range than 40miles. That 40 miles covers my usage about 90% of the time. For now, I'm in the 'it's great' part of the timeline. When the scales tip to a predominantly EV market...maybe 3-5 years...the Volt will be terrible because it will only have a 40mile EV range and there won't be any gas stations around to refuel that boat anchor ICE. As soon as EVs start dominating the market, 2030 at the absolute latest, gas stations will close faster than people can possibly imagine.

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I'm not a big Ford guy, but I've always like many models of Mustangs, more than models of Camaros (Z/28s).

But no eV Ford sells is evocative of the Mustang, of any version.

I see the Ford eVs and think 'Tesla!'

The design of the car doesn't need to tell me it's an eV.

Make it look great first, then make it electric.

But it's all moot, as there isn't a Mustang that looks as good as the new Corvettes.

I wish Ford would bring back the earlier version of the Ford GT.

And really, the GT40.

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I hear ya z.

Its that 40 mile range... its kinda useless. Thats why I was asking for a 100 mile or so battery... not a giant 400 mile one =)

throw a battery 1/4 the size in my V, it will fit. =)

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Its that 40 mile range... its kinda useless.

I always think this sort of statement is revealing of where or how people live.

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Its that 40 mile range... its kinda useless.

I always think this sort of statement is revealing of where or how people live.

Since we are a suburban family -- we *could* prob do 40 miles without too much issue... but in a single day we might go over. 5 miles to school, 7 miles to Target, 7 more for costco + return trips = 40 miles easy. Take a trip to downtown for a meeting = 45 round trip. Ive considered an older leaf for my oldest @ 75 miles... and Im OK with that.

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The 40mile range is perfect...so long as there are gas stations available. 40miles is more than most people need most of the time. When all the gas stations start to close though, that ICE becomes a boat anchor and the 40miles is woefully insufficient.

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I hear ya z.

Its that 40 mile range... its kinda useless. Thats why I was asking for a 100 mile or so battery... not a giant 400 mile one =)

throw a battery 1/4 the size in my V, it will fit. =)

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The 40mile range is perfect...so long as there are gas stations available. 40miles is more than most people need most of the time. When all the gas stations start to close though, that ICE becomes a boat anchor and the 40miles is woefully insufficient.

Right. Im thinking "in the future" when gas is farther apart.

Technically San Francisco is 108 miles from me... there's gotta be 1000 gas stations (more?) between here and there. 500 within 10 miles, and 500 in SF, but 40 miles out... and Im in no mans land. problem...

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They called it a Mustang so it would get talked about as this thread demonstrates.

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I think they gave the Mach-E the "Mustang" name as it will be their EV performance leader. It is supposed to have a sub four second 0 to 60 mph time, but it's not really a "Pony Car" with an estimated weight of about 4,500 lbs.

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TL;DR Getting our second Chevy Bolt next week, took a strong look at the Mach-E and passed

I purchased a used 2017 Bolt EV back in September. It has been a fantastic car at a very affordable price. One month after we purchased, GM issued a recall for Bolt EV's from 2017-19 due to the potential for a battery fire. After a couple of months, the proposed long term fix from GM was not a new battery, but a software update that would detect the possibility of a fire sooner.

A number of owners have opted to request a lemon law buyback for our Bolts. That includes me. Essentially GM will completely reimburse everything and take the car back, at least in California.

This gave us the option to consider other vehicles as a replacement. I am not interested in a Tesla. A friend had ordered an AWD Mach-E and took a pass on the delivery, and offered me the dealer contact. After reading reviews and looking at pricing, then seeing some in real life, I also took a pass.

So we will turn in the 2017 Bolt and pick up a new 2020 Bolt next week, for a cost of about 2k. Still feeling like the Bolt EV fits our needs best for now.

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glad to see Ford making an EV

Inevitable, but why, why, WHY call it a Mustang?!? Seriously, it has nothing whatsoever in common with actual Mustang cars except for a few Ford logos. Although it wouldn't appeal to me personally I could see Ford testing the waters by offering a parallel hybrid option in conventional Mustangs, sure, but to slap the Mustang name on yet another five-door Ford SUV that is also electric seems like a very bad idea from a marketing standpoint. Way to @#$%& out and needlessly dilute the one model name you have left with any loyalty to it, Ford.

Agree! I will never call this Countr-E Squire a "stang"! Call it a Falcon, and Thunderbird or any other name. A mustang is not a station wagon or fake truck!

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Jumping in late on this discussion...

TL;DR Getting our second Chevy Bolt next week, took a strong look at the Mach-E and passed

I purchased a used 2017 Bolt EV back in September. It has been a fantastic car at a very affordable price. One month after we purchased, GM issued a recall for Bolt EV's from 2017-19 due to the potential for a battery fire. After a couple of months, the proposed long term fix from GM was not a new battery, but a software update that would detect the possibility of a fire sooner.

A number of owners have opted to request a lemon law buyback for our Bolts. That includes me. Essentially GM will completely reimburse everything and take the car back, at least in California.

This gave us the option to consider other vehicles as a replacement. I am not interested in a Tesla. A friend had ordered an AWD Mach-E and took a pass on the delivery, and offered me the dealer contact. After reading reviews and looking at pricing, then seeing some in real life, I also took a pass.

So we will turn in the 2017 Bolt and pick up a new 2020 Bolt next week, for a cost of about 2k. Still feeling like the Bolt EV fits our needs best for now.

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...it's not really a "Pony Car" with an estimated weight of about 4,500 lbs.

But “Clydesdale Car” just doesn’t roll off the tongue with the same je ne sais quoi!

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