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Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DP
Date: April 20, 2021 06:33AM
A shortsighted 2004 uniform change intended to protect soldiers paradoxically has left female service members more vulnerable, but to a different, internal threat. The new Army uniform has a collar designed to be worn in an up-position to protect the neck while wearing body armor, thus changing the rank location from the collar to the chest. However, this well-intentioned shift has had unforeseen consequences in creating a possible sexual harassment and assault factor. The new rank placement has created some uncomfortable situations for male and female soldiers alike — and effectively gives service members and civilians a free pass to ogle a women’s breasts, while both parties are left in the dark regarding the other’s intentions.

The placement of the rank on the chest is a concern for many women during promotion ceremonies. It is customary during a promotion ceremony for a senior military leader to remove the old rank and replace it with the new insignia. This can make the leader and a newly promoted female soldier uncomfortable, during and after. A wrong photo angle, and bam! It looks as if the male soldier is touching a woman’s breasts. Worse, the brushing of a hand on the breasts could be perceived as a sexual assault.


[www.armytimes.com]





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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: PeterW
Date: April 20, 2021 06:53AM
And it only took sixteen years for someone to notice?
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: April 20, 2021 06:55AM
.....thanks for keeping us abreast.....of the situation.....



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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 20, 2021 07:18AM
Oh that’s just swell.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 20, 2021 07:51AM
Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.

Even if you are legitimately looking at that stuff, you shouldn't be starting at it.

It takes 0.5 seconds at most to determine rank.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: April 20, 2021 08:04AM
.....they should just put it in the crotch area.....



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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: April 20, 2021 08:14AM
...while wearing body armor...
If you're wearing armor, you should have your helmet on...



?? back to the sleeve...





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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 20, 2021 08:27AM
The only safe place is tattooed to the eyelids.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DP
Date: April 20, 2021 08:28AM
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Acer
The only safe place is tattooed to the eyelids.

This!!!





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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 20, 2021 10:33AM
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: testcase
Date: April 20, 2021 12:07PM
So, is there a MAJOR Brest??? eye rolling smiley
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 20, 2021 12:44PM
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Lux Interior
Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.

Yep
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 20, 2021 01:16PM
Yes, name tags, ribbons, insignia devices, and medals, above the breast pockets.

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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: April 20, 2021 01:47PM
......it was the breast of times.....it was the worst of times.....



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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 20, 2021 03:32PM
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testcase
So, is there a MAJOR Brest??? eye rolling smiley

In the General Vicinity.



It is what it is.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 20, 2021 03:43PM
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Lux Interior
Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.


smiley-signs006

Actually no; not in the center of the chest.

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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 20, 2021 05:06PM
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DeusxMac
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Lux Interior
Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.


smiley-signs006

Actually no; not in the center of the chest.


Did you check the article OP linked? From the article:





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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 20, 2021 05:21PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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Lux Interior
Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.


smiley-signs006

Actually no; not in the center of the chest.


Did you check the article OP linked? From the article:


Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 20, 2021 06:07PM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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Lux Interior
Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.


smiley-signs006

Actually no; not in the center of the chest.


Did you check the article OP linked? From the article:


Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.

I'm asking you. You seemed to state above that badges, ribbons, etc. do not get applied in the center of the chest, yet both photos above seem to indicate they do.



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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 20, 2021 06:45PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Did you check the article OP linked? From the article...

Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.

I'm asking you. You seemed to state above that badges, ribbons, etc. do not get applied in the center of the chest, yet both photos above seem to indicate they do.

Lux said “Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.”
I’m saying that is incorrect; those items have NOT always been in that area.

I don’t believe you could find a single image of a US military uniform (prior to this) with any of those items positioned in the center of the chest.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 20, 2021 06:50PM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Did you check the article OP linked? From the article...

Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.

I'm asking you. You seemed to state above that badges, ribbons, etc. do not get applied in the center of the chest, yet both photos above seem to indicate they do.

Lux said “Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.”
I’m saying that is incorrect; those items have NOT always been in that area.

I don’t believe you could find a single image of a US military uniform (prior to this) with any of those items positioned in the center of the chest.


Rank insignia started to be positioned in the center of the chest like this since the military came out with the camouflage Gore-Tex jacket. I think the first time I saw this was in the late 80's to early 90's.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 20, 2021 06:59PM
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freeradical
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Did you check the article OP linked? From the article...

Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.

I'm asking you. You seemed to state above that badges, ribbons, etc. do not get applied in the center of the chest, yet both photos above seem to indicate they do.

Lux said “Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.”
I’m saying that is incorrect; those items have NOT always been in that area.

I don’t believe you could find a single image of a US military uniform (prior to this) with any of those items positioned in the center of the chest.


Rank insignia started to be positioned in the center of the chest like this since the military came out with the camouflage Gore-Tex jacket. I think the first time I saw this was in the late 80's to early 90's.

OP article says this positioning started in 2004 (clearly not “always” unless you were born in 2004), AND this is only rank insignia, NOT “name tags” nor “ribbons” as was declared.

If you have images, or links to “late 80s” rank insignia, name tags and ribbons that are officially to be placed in the center of the chest, please post.



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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 20, 2021 07:49PM
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DeusxMac
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freeradical
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Did you check the article OP linked? From the article...

Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.

I'm asking you. You seemed to state above that badges, ribbons, etc. do not get applied in the center of the chest, yet both photos above seem to indicate they do.

Lux said “Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.”
I’m saying that is incorrect; those items have NOT always been in that area.

I don’t believe you could find a single image of a US military uniform (prior to this) with any of those items positioned in the center of the chest.


Rank insignia started to be positioned in the center of the chest like this since the military came out with the camouflage Gore-Tex jacket. I think the first time I saw this was in the late 80's to early 90's.

OP article says this positioning started in 2004 (clearly not “always” unless you were born in 2004), AND this is only rank insignia, NOT “name tags” nor “ribbons” as was declared.

If you have images, or links to “late 80s” rank insignia, name tags and ribbons that are officially to be placed in the center of the chest, please post.


The OP article is dead wrong about this. I got out of the Air Force in 2000 after 22 years, and I absolutely wore rank insignia in the middle of the chest like that on my gore-tex jacket all through the 90's.

Were you in the service back then?
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: April 20, 2021 08:07PM
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freeradical
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DeusxMac
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freeradical
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Did you check the article OP linked? From the article...

Whom are you asking?

I did, and both images show the same placement.

I'm asking you. You seemed to state above that badges, ribbons, etc. do not get applied in the center of the chest, yet both photos above seem to indicate they do.

Lux said “Name tags, badges, ribbons, etc. have always been in that area.”
I’m saying that is incorrect; those items have NOT always been in that area.

I don’t believe you could find a single image of a US military uniform (prior to this) with any of those items positioned in the center of the chest.


Rank insignia started to be positioned in the center of the chest like this since the military came out with the camouflage Gore-Tex jacket. I think the first time I saw this was in the late 80's to early 90's.

OP article says this positioning started in 2004 (clearly not “always” unless you were born in 2004), AND this is only rank insignia, NOT “name tags” nor “ribbons” as was declared.

If you have images, or links to “late 80s” rank insignia, name tags and ribbons that are officially to be placed in the center of the chest, please post.


The OP article is dead wrong about this. I got out of the Air Force in 2000 after 22 years, and I absolutely wore rank insignia in the middle of the chest like that on my gore-tex jacket all through the 90's.

Were you in the service back then?

Before then, and I repeat; rank insignia, name tags and ribbons were not “always” in the center of the chest.

Side question: when you took off that jacket, where was your rank insignia placed?



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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 21, 2021 06:56AM
The OP article is dead wrong about this.


Or you are.

The article refers to soldiers and Army uniforms.

To my eye, that excludes airmen and Air Force uniforms, not to mention the article doesn't mention Air Force uniforms.

Neither does it address the Navy's uniforms.

Call it a WAG on my part, but all services probably didn't make that same uniform change at the same time.

Were is the USCG on this?






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/21/2021 06:56AM by RAMd®d.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 21, 2021 07:00AM
Side question: when you took off that jacket, where was your rank insignia placed?


Another WAG – on the collar with collar devices?

Or sleeves, depending the specific uniform?






I am that Masked Man.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/21/2021 07:05AM by RAMd®d.
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Re: Stop staring at my breasts — oh wait, that’s where my rank is
Posted by: sunfalcon
Date: April 22, 2021 10:03AM
The Army and Air Force both wear the same uniform now - OCPs. And yes, our ranks are displayed in the center of the chest. What makes it worse for the Air Force uniform is that the names and enlisted rank are in a "spice brown" color and not the black that the Army uses. Thus, for those of us with some color deficiency, it's hard to make out without staring sometimes! I'm Air Force and prefer the stripes on the arms.
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