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"If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 11, 2021 03:39PM
... I just love that title.



[arstechnica.com]

... a very cool little bit of citizen science work.




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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 11, 2021 05:29PM
Dem kitties.
Reminds me of this.







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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 11, 2021 05:35PM
I saw this last week and tried it with my cat. I taped the "corners" of the square down in one spot and made a square out of masking tape in another.

She pulled it all up and tried to eat it.



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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 11, 2021 05:38PM
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Sarcany
I saw this last week and tried it with my cat. I taped the "corners" of the square down in one spot and made a square out of masking tape in another.

She pulled it all up and tried to eat it.

smiley-laughing001
That is true cat behavior.

Our current kitty is the only one we have had that has no interest in any box.





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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 11, 2021 07:08PM
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rgG
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Sarcany
I saw this last week and tried it with my cat. I taped the "corners" of the square down in one spot and made a square out of masking tape in another.

She pulled it all up and tried to eat it.

smiley-laughing001
That is true cat behavior.

Our current kitty is the only one we have had that has no interest in any box.

Try putting the box nearby to the other kitties who are in their boxes, like in the meme photo you posted. Cats are definitely influenced by the behavior of their peers. (Btw, the cats in the meme photo aren't trapped, they are simply plotting world domination and meanwhile patiently waiting for their staff to serve them their dinner.)

As for Sarcany's cat, I'm sure she did what she did with the masking tape because of the slight amount of tallow that's probably present on the masking tape, commonly used in the manufacturing process and the smell / taste of which the cat likes.

In all seriousness, I found this fascinating ... that the cats can see the Kanizsa squares.




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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 11, 2021 07:31PM
Try putting the box nearby to the other kitties who are in their boxes, like in the meme photo you posted.

We only have the one kitty now. He has really bad H erpes (banned word), all the time, so we can’t really have any more kitties.





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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 11, 2021 09:17PM
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rgG
Try putting the box nearby to the other kitties who are in their boxes, like in the meme photo you posted.

We only have the one kitty now. He has really bad H erpes (banned word), all the time, so we can’t really have any more kitties.

Cat h-erpes ??? How sad ... I didn't know such a thing existed, but that would seem to be a prime candidate for all the new mRNA vaccine technologies we're now seeing.




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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 11, 2021 10:04PM
Our cats will take turns sitting in boxes. Or sleep in them.
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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 11, 2021 10:16PM
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PeterB
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rgG
Try putting the box nearby to the other kitties who are in their boxes, like in the meme photo you posted.

We only have the one kitty now. He has really bad H erpes (banned word), all the time, so we can’t really have any more kitties.

Cat h-erpes ??? How sad ... I didn't know such a thing existed, but that would seem to be a prime candidate for all the new mRNA vaccine technologies we're now seeing.

Yeah, it is very common. He also seems to have other underlying allergy conditions and basically a weak immune system that makes everything worse. We got him when he was seven, so we can’t know exactly what caused all his issues. He is a very sweet, but very snotty nosed kitty.

[vcahospitals.com]





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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 12, 2021 09:12AM
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rgG
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PeterB
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rgG
Try putting the box nearby to the other kitties who are in their boxes, like in the meme photo you posted.

We only have the one kitty now. He has really bad H erpes (banned word), all the time, so we can’t really have any more kitties.

Cat h-erpes ??? How sad ... I didn't know such a thing existed, but that would seem to be a prime candidate for all the new mRNA vaccine technologies we're now seeing.

Yeah, it is very common. He also seems to have other underlying allergy conditions and basically a weak immune system that makes everything worse. We got him when he was seven, so we can’t know exactly what caused all his issues. He is a very sweet, but very snotty nosed kitty.

[vcahospitals.com]

Interesting ... so vaccination even after infection may show some benefit. I can imagine that your kitty is very pampered, not sure if that's what you meant when you say "snotty nosed" or if you were being more literal!




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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 12, 2021 09:48AM
That is the most fascinating odd bit of science I've ever seen.

The fact that cats like the 'cat traps' as always been a curiosity to me, wondering if and how it's related to them easily trained to use a litter box.

Or it's them saying 'It's about time!'

I'd really like to know the significance of this to cats.

This is one of those things were I wouldn't mind a whit that the Govt funded a multimillion dollar study to it.

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Posted by: rgG
Date: May 12, 2021 10:02AM
Interesting ... so vaccination even after infection may show some benefit. I can imagine that your kitty is very pampered, not sure if that's what you meant when you say "snotty nosed" or if you were being more literal!


Unfortunately, I was being very literal. lol





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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 12, 2021 10:50AM
Feline herpes attacks tissues in the nose and eyes.

We've fostered a few cats (and my mom adopted one) that have lost their eyes to it.







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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: rgG
Date: May 12, 2021 01:35PM
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Feline herpes attacks tissues in the nose and eyes.

We've fostered a few cats (and my mom adopted one) that have lost their eyes to it.

Our kitty has had several bad eye episodes with mainly his right eye. It was a lot worse when he was on steroids, long term. The kitty eye doctor specialist put him on anti-virals for quite a while with his last eye flare up. His regular kitty vet had prescribed the anti-virals, but they were at too low a dose according to the ophthalmologist. They are the same pills as for people, and I got them at Kroger. Now they have Bowie G in their database, lol.
I think getting him weaned off the prednisolone was a good idea. He sneezes and snuffles a little more, but I his immune system is hopefully stronger.





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Posted by: AllGold
Date: May 12, 2021 04:24PM
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RAMd®d
That is the most fascinating odd bit of science I've ever seen.

The fact that cats like the 'cat traps' as always been a curiosity to me, wondering if and how it's related to them easily trained to use a litter box.

Or it's them saying 'It's about time!'

I'd really like to know the significance of this to cats.

I believe it was a Nova episode on cats where I heard this...
Cats like boxes (and also elevated places) because house cats are not apex predators; there are quite a few other animals that are higher on the food chain. Even though cats are not likely to be attacked and/or eaten while in the house, boxes and high places still instinctively give them a sense of safety.



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Re: "If I fits I sits: A citizen science investigation into illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats (Felis silvers catus)."
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 12, 2021 08:49PM
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AllGold
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RAMd®d
That is the most fascinating odd bit of science I've ever seen.

The fact that cats like the 'cat traps' as always been a curiosity to me, wondering if and how it's related to them easily trained to use a litter box.

Or it's them saying 'It's about time!'

I'd really like to know the significance of this to cats.

I believe it was a Nova episode on cats where I heard this...
Cats like boxes (and also elevated places) because house cats are not apex predators; there are quite a few other animals that are higher on the food chain. Even though cats are not likely to be attacked and/or eaten while in the house, boxes and high places still instinctively give them a sense of safety.

Or that they like enclosed spaces, as mentioned in the article. And yes, the high places give them a better vantage point both from which to hunt, as well as avoid their own potential predators.

As for the love of boxes/square shapes, there's a good chance that it also has to do with the wiring of the feline visual cortex, which -- again as mentioned in the article -- is apparently designed to recognize shapes, edges, and contours. Which also has some interesting implications for cats' ability to recognize us ... they may, in part, be recognizing the individual shapes of our faces, as well as our body language. There was a study at one point showing that they could 'read' our facial expressions (as dogs do) and were more likely to respond positively if we are smiling and have a 'friendly' body posture, than if we're frowning and an 'unfriendly' one. It's been suggested that they see us as fellow cats, but as big, ugly, clumsy ones. grinning smiley




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