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a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: robfilms
Date: June 04, 2021 07:42AM
interesting story.

a vet in need and the VA and the therapeutic community seem out of reach.

what is in reach is the legal/enforcement system.

stay well.

rob

[www.nytimes.com]
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: June 04, 2021 08:40AM
hit the NYT paywall,
Here's the Cinnci.com version

In Isaac's case my belief is he has PTS not a 'syndrome' and it's just not
the VA Health System, it's all of the American medical profession.
There's just not enough properly trained medical professionals to deal
with PTS/PTSD.



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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: Robert M
Date: June 04, 2021 11:10AM
Robfilms,

Maybe it's just me but I'm not a fan anyone who participates in criminal activity. Vet or not, breaking and entering and trespassing fall into that category.

Robert
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: June 04, 2021 11:16AM
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MrNoBody
hit the NYT paywall,
Here's the Cinnci.com version

In Isaac's case my belief is he has PTS not a 'syndrome' and it's just not
the VA Health System, it's all of the American medical profession.
There's just not enough properly trained medical professionals to deal
with PTS/PTSD.

As a former VA medical professional who suffers from PTSD, I thought I’d weigh in on this.

I can tell you that many VA’s are very good at treating PTSD.
After leaving the VA’s toxic environment to work for a Medicare/Medicaid clinic, I saw a number of vets with PTSD who refused to go to the VA because of bad experiences in the distant past, or a general mistrust of the government. They also did not want the stigma of seeing a psychiatrist. Had I not had the experiences I’d had, I wouldn’t have known what to do for them. So yes, in general, primary care training in PTSD is not what it could be, but it appears that the fear of stigma and the distrust of the toxic VA system lead at least some, and perhaps many, of those in need not to seek treatment.
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: June 04, 2021 11:17AM
I'm not in agreement with what he did, but he didn't damage, destroy or hurt others. Had he rioted, looted or burned something down, there wouldn't be a warrant out for his arrest. Just goes to show how screwed up things are.
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: Robert M
Date: June 04, 2021 11:39AM
Mac,

Doesn't matter. Diminishing it doesn't change the fact that he engaged in criminal activity and is now dealing with the repercussions of it.

Robert
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: June 04, 2021 12:36PM
Thanks S. Pupp! All of my recent dealings with the VA have been
positive and I'm hoping their funding doesn't now get 'chipped away'.
I'm very fortunate not to seemingly been affected by PTS/PTSD.

Still hoping for the best for brother Isaac. patriot smiley



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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 04, 2021 05:18PM
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Robert M
Robfilms,

Maybe it's just me but I'm not a fan anyone who participates in criminal activity. Vet or not, breaking and entering and trespassing fall into that category.

Robert

I don't think the topic at hand is whether anyone is a 'fan' of what he's doing, but whether the justice system is working in a fair, equitable, and overall productive manner.

It does not seem to meet that standard. He should not continue trespassing and the criminal justice system shouldn't take a special interest in him. The justification that since he's a vet he's therefore dangerous conveniently gives them permission to treat him severely which is pretty odd.

Its a sad but not unexpected story.



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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: kj
Date: June 04, 2021 06:33PM
It seems what he's doing is pretty similar to what base jumpers, etc. do and I would doubt they are handled as severely, but idk. I don't support the behavior though. He needs to knock it off.
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: robfilms
Date: June 04, 2021 08:10PM
in no way was i (or i believe the article) suggested committing criminal acts was okay.

i do think the situation needs to have some recognition of this vet's mental health.

imho, the issue should not be criminalized.

i also wonder (believe), how socio-economic/race plays into this.

i'm guessing, but if this vet was white and college educated with dual income parents, this guy would be in therapy and not in jail.

a show of hands: yea/nea?

stay well.

rob
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: Robert M
Date: June 04, 2021 08:51PM
Hi everyone,

Other people who have committed the same or similar crimes face the same consequences. He is a repeat offender. Why should he be treated any differently? Because he is a vet and/or has PTSD? Not as far as I’m concerned and especially if he is a repeat offender, which is apparently the case.

Robert
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 04, 2021 10:00PM
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Urban explorers who are caught trespassing are typically charged with misdemeanors, if at all. Mr. Wright, however, was charged with burglary — for entering a building illegally to take photographs — and several other felonies that could put him in prison for more than 25 years.

After the arrest, he was held without bond in 23-hour lockdown for more than two months. Prosecutors argued that Mr. Wright’s time in the Army made him too dangerous to release.



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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: June 05, 2021 05:54AM
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mattkime
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Urban explorers who are caught trespassing are typically charged with misdemeanors, if at all. Mr. Wright, however, was charged with burglary — for entering a building illegally to take photographs — and several other felonies that could put him in prison for more than 25 years.

After the arrest, he was held without bond in 23-hour lockdown for more than two months. Prosecutors argued that Mr. Wright’s time in the Army made him too dangerous to release.

Yet as we have all witnessed; in some cities you can riot, burn public
buildings, etc. and no one is charged. In fact, law enforcement has even
been told to "stand-down" and let them "protest".
Question remains, why are the authorities singling him out?



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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: Robert M
Date: June 05, 2021 09:15AM
Hi everyone,

It seems you're not taking into consideration consequences of this gentleman's activities:

Repeat offender across multiple states
Tens of thousands of dollars in damage
Stolen items

Don't like the level of response? Don't commit the crime.

And, personally, I think anyone who riots, causes property damage and such should be nailed. Doing it under the pretense of protesting is even worse should allow the prosecutors to take the charges to the next level.

Robert
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Re: a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 05, 2021 02:41PM
a vet with PTSD climbs buildings, takes pictures and is in jail. sad.


I disagree.

Jail seems like the logical and appropriate place for his activities.

Is the PTSD what drives him to commit criminal trespass and burglary?

Then that should be investigated and appropriate treatment provided.

If that's not the case, then appropriate incarceration seems — appropriate.

He seems to do this for recreation, committing repeat offenses.

If he sells the pics, then maybe a small business venture, breaking the law in any event?



After the arrest, he was held without bond in 23-hour lockdown for more than two months. Prosecutors argued that Mr. Wright’s time in the Army made him too dangerous to release.


This does give me pause.

Based on the second article (couldn't read the paywall link) it doesn't seem that he's ever been violent.

The above lockdown, I believe is what's mandated as maximum in-cell time by SCOTUS, providing a minimum of one hour out of lockdown, aka 'yard time' in a prison environment.

That strikes me as excessive without some evidence of violent behavior, of which no mention has been made, that I could see.

For that amount of time in a pre-trial maximum lockdown protocol, there should be substantial support documenting the need.

He may indeed be a vet with PTSD, and medical treatment should be available, but at without more information, I think that's a separate issue from his repeat offenses.

As to what other people do in other cities and 'get away with it' — so what.

If the jurisdiction did that and then 'singled out' then there is a problem.

Charging him is one thing, but the degree of incarceration seems unacceptable under the circumstances as we 'know' them.

I don't know that he's a flight risk, and he apparently hasn't shown any degree of violence or resistance, so the bond/bail amount seems excessive.






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