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“ A Utah student with Down syndrome was left out of a photo of her school’s cheerleading squad “
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Date: June 16, 2021 08:33PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 09:18PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 09:33PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 09:44PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 10:04PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 10:53PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 11:56PM
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Date: June 16, 2021 11:58PM
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Date: June 17, 2021 04:32AM
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Date: June 17, 2021 05:35AM
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Mr Downtown
Well . . . . maybe.
Seems she was an honorary member of the squad. You'll notice she doesn't have a uniform, for instance.
So they took photos both with her and without her. Which one to use in the yearbook? Seems like that could go either way, and no one needs to fire up the Outrage Machine.
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The first photo included Morgyn Arnold, a 14-year-old student with Down syndrome who’d been working as the cheer team manager and knew all the routines by heart.
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Date: June 17, 2021 06:45AM
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: June 17, 2021 08:38AM
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Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: June 17, 2021 09:08AM
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Posted by: spacescape
Date: June 17, 2021 09:28AM
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pRICE cUBE
A few insights about this area. It is an expanding and fairly new part of Suburban Salt Lake City. It is a fairly affluent area. This land was formerly farm land that was created when the Great Salt Lake receded decades ago. Most of the homes are of recent construction. Many of the newer neighborhoods are bright, shiny, and somewhat homogenous.
As far as the photo goes, I feel some clues about them seem disturbing. Before I continue, I want to emphasize the girls says the others treat her well. I don’t know what that entails exactly. The girl is the team’s Manager that helps with team functions and practices routines with the team. I am unclear what expectations were communicated to the girl and her family. It is common for team photos to include student helpers, managers, and assistants. I would be interested to see how other clubs in the school went about including team managers.
The photo analysis:
1. Two versions exist of the group, one with the girls and one without.
2. An adult or adults made this decision to have two versions.
3. Only the version without the girl made it to social media and the yearbook.
4. According to a report I read, yearbook affiliated people were only given the version without the girl.
5. Facial expressions in the photo with the girl shows 5 of the students not smiling as fully as the image without the girl. As someone that has taken pictures of thousands of people, I know a half baked smile when I see one. It is my speculation that some on the team knew ahead of time that two photos would be taken. Therefore, did not give their best effort. It is my conclusion that the girls took the lead of the adults in knowing “this one doesn’t count”. At least 5 of those faces say it all IMHO. I could be wrong and the photographer took a shot when all weren’t ready. Typically with cheer/pep people I have taken pictures of, didn’t need to much effort to elicit a beaming, “Ready for my closeup” smile.
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S. Pupp
I sympathize with her. It feels lousy to be excluded. As the only half-Asian student in my rural PA school, I was excluded entirely from my freshman yearbook. Well, not exactly; you can see 1/2 an inch of the side of my head in the one photo; they had me stand behind someone taller than I was. I'm not named in the photo.
Re: “ A Utah student with Down syndrome was left out of a photo of her school’s cheerleading squad “
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: June 17, 2021 09:33AM
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Posted by: Rick-o
Date: June 17, 2021 09:33AM
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Mr Downtown
Well . . . . maybe.
Seems she was an honorary member of the squad. You'll notice she doesn't have a uniform, for instance.
So they took photos both with her and without her. Which one to use in the yearbook? Seems like that could go either way, and no one needs to fire up the Outrage Machine.
Wow! That's cruel and heartless.
She was NOT an "honorary" member of the team. Did you even bother to read? She was team manager, she knew all of the routines.
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The first photo included Morgyn Arnold, a 14-year-old student with Down syndrome who’d been working as the cheer team manager and knew all the routines by heart.
Why did they take the second picture, without her, in the first place? Someone didn't like the fact that she's different?
Team managers are part of the team.
NO, it couldn't have gone either way, this is a clear case of discrimination.
And yes, there is every reason to fire up the Outrage Machine.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: June 17, 2021 10:47AM
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Date: June 17, 2021 11:13AM
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Date: June 17, 2021 12:12PM
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Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: June 17, 2021 12:20PM
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pRICE cUBE
A few insights about this area. It is an expanding and fairly new part of Suburban Salt Lake City. It is a fairly affluent area. This land was formerly farm land that was created when the Great Salt Lake receded decades ago. Most of the homes are of recent construction. Many of the newer neighborhoods are bright, shiny, and somewhat homogenous.
As far as the photo goes, I feel some clues about them seem disturbing. Before I continue, I want to emphasize the girls says the others treat her well. I don’t know what that entails exactly. The girl is the team’s Manager that helps with team functions and practices routines with the team. I am unclear what expectations were communicated to the girl and her family. It is common for team photos to include student helpers, managers, and assistants. I would be interested to see how other clubs in the school went about including team managers.
The photo analysis:
1. Two versions exist of the group, one with the girls and one without.
2. An adult or adults made this decision to have two versions.
3. Only the version without the girl made it to social media and the yearbook.
4. According to a report I read, yearbook affiliated people were only given the version without the girl.
5. Facial expressions in the photo with the girl shows 5 of the students not smiling as fully as the image without the girl. As someone that has taken pictures of thousands of people, I know a half baked smile when I see one. It is my speculation that some on the team knew ahead of time that two photos would be taken. Therefore, did not give their best effort. It is my conclusion that the girls took the lead of the adults in knowing “this one doesn’t count”. At least 5 of those faces say it all IMHO. I could be wrong and the photographer took a shot when all weren’t ready. Typically with cheer/pep people I have taken pictures of, didn’t need to much effort to elicit a beaming, “Ready for my closeup” smile.
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Date: June 17, 2021 12:52PM
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Date: June 17, 2021 01:57PM
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Posted by: Mr Downtown
Date: June 17, 2021 04:20PM
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: June 17, 2021 05:01PM
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Mr Downtown
We certainly are fortunate to have so many forum members who can look into the minds of other humans—people 1000 or 2000 or 5000 miles away—and determine without even the benefit of a doubt that their only motivation must have been an evil one.
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Posted by: btfc
Date: June 17, 2021 06:41PM
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Mr Downtown
We certainly are fortunate to have so many forum members who can look into the minds of other humans—people 1000 or 2000 or 5000 miles away—and determine without even the benefit of a doubt that their only motivation must have been an evil one.
Re: “ A Utah student with Down syndrome was left out of a photo of her school’s cheerleading squad “
Posted by: Mr Downtown
Date: June 17, 2021 09:37PM
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btfc
What exactly are you attempting to accomplish in this thread with your obviously false statements and aspersions?
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Posted by: Sam3
Date: June 18, 2021 07:32AM
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btfc
What exactly are you attempting to accomplish in this thread with your obviously false statements and aspersions?
I'm trying to persuade my fellow forum members not to make this into another Nick Sandmann (the MAGA-hatted Covington high schooler on the Mall with a smirk on his face) saga, where everyone jumps to the obvious—but totally wrong—conclusion.
Arnold was not one of the cheerleaders; she did not perform with them. She was the "cheer team manager," whatever that means. I don't know exactly what it meant to the team and other students; you don't know exactly what it meant to them. Undoubtedly the cheer team also has at least one faculty advisor, who was also not in the photo. Does that indicate that the yearbook staff (and their faculty advisors) wanted to erase the faculty member, or were embarrassed by her?
In a situation like this, the definition of who's "on the team" is situation-dependent, just as the definition of who belongs in a "family portrait" may change with marriages, divorces, and remarryings. Until there's evidence otherwise, I—just as a matter of philosophy—think it's best to assume that all involved had the best intentions, even if they reached a different decision than you think you would make.
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: June 18, 2021 09:00AM
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Posted by: Mr Downtown
Date: June 18, 2021 09:24AM
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Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: June 18, 2021 10:14AM
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Mr Downtown
The two setups would seem to support my analogy of "now a portrait of just the family members." They took photos both ways so they could decide later which one to use for various purposes, such as sending to competition publicity, selling to team members, posting in the trophy case, etc. One of those decisions would be which one to use in the yearbook.
None of the quotes I've read from team members, from Arnold or her parents, from school administrators give any credence to the theory that the choice was made because anyone was ashamed of Arnold or her participation. Quite the contrary, they all express affection for her, and show evidence of her acceptance by the other team members. The administrators have not said "oh, you caught us;" they've just said "we're looking into the issue."
Until there's evidence otherwise, I'll stick with my theory that this is some ginned-up Facebook Outrage being retroactively applied to perfectly understandable decisions by people who generally try to do the right thing.
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Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: June 18, 2021 04:13PM
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Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 19, 2021 02:24PM
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pRICE cUBE
The families of the included cheerleaders say they didn’t know two versions would lead to the one without the girl being used. They claim they would have advocated for the girl to be included. The adults that created this situation have yet to speak up and explain why this happened.