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Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 06, 2021 08:17PM
I have new employees who each need an integrated password manager (yes, we are well aware of Mac's built-in Keychain, we're just looking for something else).

1PassWord, as of this month, no longer will offer new standalone licenses, and I only would like to find and use stand alone paid software.

I know this has been discussed before here, but it's a fast moving target these days, so if any MacResourcer is using a password management app that they love that isn't subscription, please pass them along. Many thanks, and adios 1PW.

EDIT: just learned of this one and will try it out:
[keepassxc.org]



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2021 08:36PM by tuqqer.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 06, 2021 08:36PM
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The overwhelming majority of people (97% in fact) choose to subscribe to our new service

A not-unexpected outcome when you make the option to purchase a perpetual license nearly impossible to find on your web site.



It is what it is.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2021 08:36PM by N-OS X-tasy!.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 06, 2021 08:40PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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The overwhelming majority of people (97% in fact) choose to subscribe to our new service

A not-unexpected outcome when you make the option to purchase a perpetual license nearly impossible to find on your web site.

Yeah, they became a funny organization, with weird, shifty communications like this, and I dislike that. I have no problem with anyone's profit model, but don't lie. And no, until there's no more standalone apps anywhere, I just prefer non-sub apps that I pay for once, and then leave it alone. No "over the next 15 years, you'll pay us $800 per user." Just not for me.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 06, 2021 08:51PM
*sigh*



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: space-time
Date: July 06, 2021 09:26PM
also his math skills suck:

Nearly 5 years ago I wrote a post from the heart titled from a happy 1Password maker. In it I shouted from the rooftops about why we love 1Password memberships and why our newly created ...

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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 06, 2021 09:27PM
The overwhelming majority of people (97% in fact) choose to subscribe to our new service and many of those who initially purchased a license later changed their mind and traded it in for a membership...

Because they hid the option to upgrade to v6 or v7 with a standalone license. If you didn't know the trick, you couldn't do it, so most customers assumed that it was subscription-only and subscribed.

Engineering the outcome and then playing it up like there was a choice is deceitful. People are righteously upset at this dumb game they've been playing to promote subscriptions.

...

Yeah, I'm going to need to replace 1PW when I lose 1PW 7 to an OS upgrade one of these days. It's not just the subscription that bothers me (tho that's a big factor). It's putting a copy of my passwords, notes, etc. and the master password on their servers in the cloud. I don't trust it.

LastPass got hit back in 2015 and again in 2016, and while they allege (correctly) that the data that was stolen from their servers was encrypted with tough encryption that couldn't easily be cracked at the time, I think it's a ticking time-bomb just waiting for the tools to mature enough to crack the master-passwords, and meanwhile their browser plugins have been repeatedly compromised by white-hats.

1Password's plugins have had their share of vulnerabilities exposed in the past, too, which wasn't such a big deal when the passwords were only stored in a locally encrypted keychain, but is scary when your whole life is stored in the cloud.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: space-time
Date: July 06, 2021 09:36PM
[keepass.info]

I DO NOT use it, but my previous employer used to install this on our windows machines. Since I had 1Password I never bothered to use it much, except to play with it a few times.

They are various iOS flavors, I never used those.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 07, 2021 12:15AM
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Sarcany
Yeah, I'm going to need to replace 1PW when I lose 1PW 7 to an OS upgrade one of these days. It's not just the subscription that bothers me (tho that's a big factor). It's putting a copy of my passwords, notes, etc. and the master password on their servers in the cloud. I don't trust it.

Exactly this. One of the most valuable features of 1Password has always been that *I* control where the password vault was stored.



It is what it is.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2021 12:16AM by N-OS X-tasy!.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: July 07, 2021 05:08AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Sarcany
Yeah, I'm going to need to replace 1PW when I lose 1PW 7 to an OS upgrade one of these days. It's not just the subscription that bothers me (tho that's a big factor). It's putting a copy of my passwords, notes, etc. and the master password on their servers in the cloud. I don't trust it.

Exactly this. One of the most valuable features of 1Password has always been that *I* control where the password vault was stored.

I get that. But what's the alternative? Everyone in my home has multiple "devices". Computers, phones, tablets, etc. The alternative is installing a separate app on all of them, and then keeping them all somehow synced w/o sharing on some sort of cloud platform.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: space-time
Date: July 07, 2021 05:57AM
Exactly this. One of the most valuable features of 1Password has always been that *I* control where the password vault was stored.

Does the Subscription version force you to store the vault on their servers? or can you still do a local vault?
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: pipiens
Date: July 07, 2021 06:10AM
[www.stickypassword.com]
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 07, 2021 07:15AM
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space-time
Does the Subscription version force you to store the vault on their servers? or can you still do a local vault?

With a subscription/team account vaults are created/stored in the cloud.

When version 7 came out, they repeatedly said that future versions were unlikely to support standalone vaults. (This, even as they also promised that they had no plans to remove support for local vaults and released a Windows version with no support for local vaults. Lots of double-messaging.)

If it's subscription/teams-only then it would appear that 1PW8 will not support standalone vaults.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Fritz
Date: July 07, 2021 08:16AM
been good with Enpass.



!#$@@$#!

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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 07, 2021 08:34AM
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Fritz
been good with Enpass.
Thanks, Fritz. They've got a nice life-time $79 offer, too:
[www.enpass.io]



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 07, 2021 08:49AM
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Fritz
been good with Enpass.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Doesn't non-subscription, pre-version-7, 1Password sync directly between Mac OS and iOS devices (no internet connection needed), while Enpass needs something Cloud-based, like DropBox, to sync between devices?
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Fritz
Date: July 07, 2021 08:59AM
Enpass does need a cloud for device sync, but I read the OP as just local, which is how I use Enpass.
One still has to have other methods of backup.



!#$@@$#!





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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 07, 2021 09:15AM
I'm still on 1Password 6, works just fine. I have things set up to share passwords with my wife. I'll be forced to reconsider when 1Password 6 stops working OR when my kids join in the fun of password management.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: davester
Date: July 07, 2021 09:39AM
I'm also still on 1PW 6. The only downside to it is that it doesn't work with newer versions of Safari. A mild annoyance but not a big deal. I really don't need any new features, hence my resistance to their subscription model.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: July 07, 2021 09:47AM
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DeusxMac
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Fritz
been good with Enpass.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Doesn't non-subscription, pre-version-7, 1Password sync directly between Mac OS and iOS devices (no internet connection needed), while Enpass needs something Cloud-based, like DropBox, to sync between devices?

I'm pretty sure 1P needed access to something like dropbox to sync between devices. I'm not sure how you would sync at all w/o some type of "cloud" access. In my case, I upgraded b/c syncing is very important. As is making sure my family uses it consistently across the board.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: jonny
Date: July 07, 2021 10:03AM
Also still using 6, but only on my desktop.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 07, 2021 10:17AM
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bazookaman
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DeusxMac
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Fritz
been good with Enpass.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Doesn't non-subscription, pre-version-7, 1Password sync directly between Mac OS and iOS devices (no internet connection needed), while Enpass needs something Cloud-based, like DropBox, to sync between devices?

I'm pretty sure 1P needed access to something like dropbox to sync between devices. I'm not sure how you would sync at all w/o some type of "cloud" access. In my case, I upgraded b/c syncing is very important. As is making sure my family uses it consistently across the board.

I’m certain that’s not correct. My 1Password 6 syncs devices using only my WLAN; nothing Dropbox-like needed.

Now that does mean my devices must be on the same WLAN, but that’s never been a problem.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 07, 2021 10:19AM
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DeusxMac
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bazookaman
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DeusxMac
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Fritz
been good with Enpass.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Doesn't non-subscription, pre-version-7, 1Password sync directly between Mac OS and iOS devices (no internet connection needed), while Enpass needs something Cloud-based, like DropBox, to sync between devices?

I'm pretty sure 1P needed access to something like dropbox to sync between devices. I'm not sure how you would sync at all w/o some type of "cloud" access. In my case, I upgraded b/c syncing is very important. As is making sure my family uses it consistently across the board.

I’m certain that’s not correct. My 1Password 6 syncs devices using only my WLAN; nothing Dropbox-like needed.

Now that does mean my devices must be on the same WLAN, but that’s never been a problem.

Both scenarios are correct.

EDIT: In response to a DM from one of the more pedantic members of the forum, I am modifying my response to indicate that both scenarios are viable - 1Password can sync either across a LAN/WLAN or through the cloud.



It is what it is.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2021 01:43PM by N-OS X-tasy!.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 07, 2021 10:54AM
Hi everyone,

Been happy with 1Password6 and won't be updating to 1Password7. Syncing is fine. Just for giggles, I did try the link for upgrading to stand-alone 1Password7 and it no longer works. Too bad. I'd've bought it just to have a copy on hand in the event I needed it.

Those who have said the reason the subscription model has proven so successful is due to the difficulty in buying the standalone version are spot-on. To only mention the stand-alone as an aside in a single sentence _after_ downloading 1Password7 and choosing Buy 1Password is the reason people subscribed rather than buy it.

Maybe enough uproar will make Agile Bits reconsider this decision.

I'm sticking with 1Password6 but will backup its data in an accessible but encrypted format in case I need to jump ship. Such a shame.

Robert
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: jonny
Date: July 07, 2021 11:36AM
Curious... For those of you using 6. What app are you running on your phones? Just the regular 1Password for iPhone?
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 07, 2021 11:50AM
Jonny,

Yups. Doesn't seem to care what flavor of 1Password I have on my computers. The vault is encrypted. Syncing with Dropbox.

Robert
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: jonny
Date: July 07, 2021 12:00PM
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Robert M
Jonny,

Yups. Doesn't seem to care what flavor of 1Password I have on my computers. The vault is encrypted. Syncing with Dropbox.

Robert

Huh... I'll have to resurrect my dropbox account and try it out.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 07, 2021 12:30PM
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jonny
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Robert M
Jonny,

Yups. Doesn't seem to care what flavor of 1Password I have on my computers. The vault is encrypted. Syncing with Dropbox.

Robert

Huh... I'll have to resurrect my dropbox account and try it out.

I’m using 1Password iOS app 7.7.1, and do NOT use DropBox (or anything similar.) I just sync over WLAN (as I mentioned above.)
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 07, 2021 12:41PM
Deaus,

Driopbox isn't an issue since the only one who can access the vault is me.

Robert
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 07, 2021 01:21PM
I keep my user names/passwords on my phone in the Notes app. I back up my phone to my laptop using iTunes.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 07, 2021 01:29PM
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Robert M
Deaus,

Driopbox isn't an issue since the only one who can access the vault is me.

Robert

Just saying it's not "needed".
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: space-time
Date: July 07, 2021 01:35PM
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Robert M
Deaus,

Driopbox isn't an issue since the only one who can access the vault is me.

Robert

Well, some prefer to avoid the cloud at all.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 07, 2021 01:46PM
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Robert M
Deaus,

Driopbox isn't an issue since the only one who can access the vault is me.

Robert

Not to mention that your Dropbox storage is encrypted... which means that your encrypted 1Password vault is encrypted a second time when stored on Dropbox.



It is what it is.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: graylocks
Date: July 07, 2021 02:09PM
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Speedy
I keep my user names/passwords on my phone in the Notes app. I back up my phone to my laptop using iTunes.

That's great but the ease and time saving of having a password manager pretty much instantly access and input usernames/passwords, credit card, and identity information is invaluable to me. i have one password on my desktop and iphone. i bit the bullet and bought Ver. 7 last year.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 07, 2021 02:22PM
Deus,

Actually, it is needed for my workflow. The primary location for the vault is my home machine. I access the data on a second machine and an iPad at home. I access the data at my office on two different machines and I access it on an iPhone at home, at my office and when I am out and about. Dropbox is the easiest, most effective solution for syncing across all the devices all the time.

Robert
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 07, 2021 04:54PM
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Speedy
I keep my user names/passwords on my phone in the Notes app. I back up my phone to my laptop using iTunes.

I keep my user name and password on a post it note attached to my monitor.
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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: space-time
Date: July 07, 2021 09:34PM
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mattkime
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Speedy
I keep my user names/passwords on my phone in the Notes app. I back up my phone to my laptop using iTunes.

I keep my user name and password on a post it note attached to my monitor.

no kidding, when I was house shopping, one guy had 4 monitors and he had brother labels with username and password for his trading accounts, one label for each monitor. IIRC he also had the trading house printed on the same monitor.

I hope he had 2FA enabled, or some other protection in place.



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Re: Looking for standalone password manager app (so long 1Password)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 17, 2021 03:53PM
Hi everyone,

Dropbox offers Dropbox Password. Seems like it's a logical option to check out since I am a subscriber. Not so much to replace 1Password6 right now but as a backup in the event I have an issue with it and/or choose not to move to 1Password7 since it is subscription only.

Robert
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