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Posted by: wurm
Date: July 14, 2021 06:22PM
Does anyone actually use these things? They came with the car, but I'm thinking of taking them off and putting the normal lugs back on. Assuming one lives in a safe, low-crime area (I do) and the wheels aren't super fancy (they aren't), is there any practical reason to deal with them?
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 14, 2021 06:55PM
Keeping them on help insures that the key will be missing when you have a non-fixable flat.

Dump them.



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 14, 2021 06:58PM
Wurm,

They came with my car and I definitely wouldn't put normal lugs back on. Living in a safe, low-crime area doesn't mean thieves won't go after your wheels. My guess is that you also drive into areas are less safe and have higher rates of vehicle crime.I live in a safe, low-crime area but the level of vehicular crime increases significantly just a few miles away.

While wheel locks may not necessarily stop a persistent pro, they are definitely a nuisance and barrier to theft. Might be just enough for a thief to skip my car and move onto a model with easier wheels to remove.

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FWIW, I know exactly where the key for the locking lugs is stored. It isn't going to get lost.

Robert



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 14, 2021 07:07PM
What sort of vehicle we talking? My coworker had her brand-new Jeep's wheels stolen in broad daylight in our parking lot at work, in a little office complex deep in suburbia. I'm sure it was the age and the large, pricey wheels that attracted them. Unremarkable 16" wheels on an uninspired sedan aren't going to turn much profit.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 14, 2021 07:26PM
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Robert M
Wurm,

They came with my car and I definitely wouldn't put normal lugs back on. Living in a safe, low-crime area doesn't mean thieves won't go after your wheels. My guess is that you also drive into areas are less safe and have higher rates of vehicle crime.I live in a safe, low-crime area but the level of vehicular crime increases significantly just a few miles away.

While wheel locks may not necessarily stop a persistent pro, they are definitely a nuisance and barrier to theft. Might be just enough for a thief to skip my car and move onto a model with easier wheels to remove.

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FWIW, I know exactly where the key for the locking lugs is stored. It isn't going to get lost.

Robert

They won't stop a drug addict, nevermind a persistent Pro. They aren't going to stop anyone who wants your wheels. All you have to do is use the next size smaller socket and hammer it on with a 20lbs mallet. It takes 2 seconds longer to remove one.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2021 07:30PM by C(-)ris.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Michael
Date: July 14, 2021 07:29PM
Our car came with them and I'm leaving them on. I suppose experienced and/or persistent thieves can get the wheels but the casual thief will (hopefully!) go to the next car. It's the same reason we use controlled lights in the house whether we're here or not.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: wurm
Date: July 14, 2021 07:32PM
Thieves suck. Problem is if I hide the key where I know I'll remember it, it will likely be easy enough for a thief to find, too.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 14, 2021 07:38PM
C(-)ris,

True but an extra an annoyance is still an extra annoyance. Gives me a teensy bit more piece of mind and that;s worth something. smiling smiley

Robert
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: hal
Date: July 14, 2021 07:41PM
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wurm
Does anyone actually use these things? They came with the car, but I'm thinking of taking them off and putting the normal lugs back on. Assuming one lives in a safe, low-crime area (I do) and the wheels aren't super fancy (they aren't), is there any practical reason to deal with them?

Back in the 90s some put my mid 80s honda civic on milk crates and stole all of the wheels. It was NOT a fancy car... I bought wheel locks...
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 14, 2021 08:06PM
Does anyone actually use these things?


I did, when I had a set of really nice rims and tires on my previous car.

Many people try to discourage their use with 'if somebody really want it/them...' and 'Locks only keep honest people out' stupid obvious cliches.

These are the same people who lock their doors at night with a cheap lockset and maybe a poorly installed deadbolt.

Not everybody is a master thief or burglar.

NOBODY knows who was discouraged from stealing one's property because of the addition of some basic lock.

Nothing is guaranteed to be 100% effective.

But if somebody moves on to another target that's less prepared, then that's one for you, even if you don't know it.

If someone doesn't want to go the extra step, fine.

If someone does, fine too, just be aware there are no guarantees.

Anything, anybody, can get got.

Doesn't mean it/they will.





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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: hal
Date: July 14, 2021 08:12PM
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They won't stop a drug addict, nevermind a persistent Pro. They aren't going to stop anyone who wants your wheels. All you have to do is use the next size smaller socket and hammer it on with a 20lbs mallet. It takes 2 seconds longer to remove one.
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after watching that video, I can't imagine how it led you to write that post.

That mallet made A LOT of noise. And it would have to be done 4 times to get 4 wheels. AND the bad guys would have to actually buy this kit and take it with them to do the job. What junkie does this? What common criminal does this? What persistent pros go out to steal unfancy wheels?

Fast and easy is what they are looking for.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 14, 2021 08:51PM
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C(-)ris
They won't stop a drug addict, nevermind a persistent Pro. They aren't going to stop anyone who wants your wheels. All you have to do is use the next size smaller socket and hammer it on with a 20lbs mallet. It takes 2 seconds longer to remove one.
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after watching that video, I can't imagine how it led you to write that post.

That mallet made A LOT of noise. And it would have to be done 4 times to get 4 wheels. AND the bad guys would have to actually buy this kit and take it with them to do the job. What junkie does this? What common criminal does this? What persistent pros go out to steal unfancy wheels?

Fast and easy is what they are looking for.

They use electric impact wrenches and rubber mallets. You can do the same thing with out the kit just using a smaller socket. Either way, the lock isn’t stopping them. There are dealerships who have had entire lots stripped of wheels that had locks on them overnight.

Ever watched a NASCAR pit stop? That is how long it takes to steal wheels. No matter how much noise they make they will be gone before you get out of bed and to the window.

They are about as effective as a Walmart bike lock is of stopping a bike thief. If it doesn’t get stolen it is likely because they didn’t want it.



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: datbeme
Date: July 14, 2021 08:53PM
A long time ago, I bought fairly new used car that had them, and I didn't know it. No record of where the key was, so the dealer had to cut them off when servicing the vehicle. Without thinking about it, I let them talk me into a replacement set. Guess what. A year or two later, I was getting new tires or something and they couldn't find the key. I didn't bother with them after that.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 14, 2021 09:13PM
It depends on the car and if there is a market for wheels that size. My '86 Civic got stolen twice in six months for the wheels. I sold it after the third theft.

If it is aftermarket, most of the time you can take a picture of the lug and find the same one at a parts store.



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Buzz
Date: July 14, 2021 09:18PM
Our Lexus and Acura have factory locks (both from McGard, BTW), and I put McGard locks on the Sienna's Borbet wheels..... just gotta keep the lock keys separate.... but now that y'all brought it up, it's probably time to write an initial on each key to help keep track of 'em.

No wheel thefts w/ wheel locks, but the fancy wheel center caps have gone missing from the Borbet's, which came with three different sets of center caps; the fancy ones that I used, a set of essentially stenciled aluminum disks, and some that are best described as stickers. Lost track of the latter two, many years ago. When I get around to it, I'm just gonna replace 'em w/ generic Toyota logo'ed center caps, as the replacement cost for the fancy Borbet's is ridiculous.

I'm down w/ wheel locks as a deterrent for would be thieves. It kinda sucks, as IIRC, most stolen wheels only fetch $50 - $100 in the no receipt/no questions asked market. That's a lot of work, and a lot of risk, for not much return. Cost of deterrence seems worth it. Ya never know when you're gonna park in a marginal area, where the ~$40 cost of the deterrent will be worth it.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 14, 2021 10:54PM
IMO this is one thing neighborhood groups are good for - are wheels being stolen where you live? if not, skip the locks.



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 14, 2021 11:31PM
My current vehicle came with them. None of my previous vehicles did. Never had my wheels, always stock, stolen.

My first car was 10 years old. A 1980 Toyota Celica. It did get stolen.



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: July 15, 2021 06:58AM
No need to hammer a smaller socket on. There are custom sockets designed to remove wheel locks. With a cordless impact gun, they can be removed in seconds.

If one doesn't put anti-seize on the rotor hub, newer wheels may require more work to get off than the wheel locks.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 15, 2021 12:10PM
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Robert M
C(-)ris,

True but an extra an annoyance is still an extra annoyance. Gives me a teensy bit more piece of mind and that;s worth something. smiling smiley

Robert

agree smiley

What they help prevent is a crime of opportunity.
A crime that is committed without planning when the perpetrator sees that they have the chance to commit the act at that moment and seizes it. Such acts have little or no premeditation.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 15, 2021 12:19PM
Re: wheel locks
Posted by: wurm
Date: July 15, 2021 01:24PM
Damn. That's just crazy.
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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Maddog
Date: July 15, 2021 04:29PM
You keep the special lug that works for your wheel lock in the trunk with the jack/spare. That is the only time you are going to need it.
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Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 15, 2021 06:02PM
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C(-)ris,

True but an extra an annoyance is still an extra annoyance. Gives me a teensy bit more piece of mind and that;s worth something. smiling smiley

Robert

agree smiley

What they help prevent is a crime of opportunity.
A crime that is committed without planning when the perpetrator sees that they have the chance to commit the act at that moment and seizes it. Such acts have little or no premeditation.

Lug nuts prevent wheels from being stolen randomly. Anyone who is walking around with the tools needed to steal a set of wheels off a car has premediated and unless this is first time they have ever run into a locking lug is going to have a tool to get it off.



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Re: wheel locks
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: July 16, 2021 12:45PM
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You keep the special lug that works for your wheel lock in the trunk with the jack/spare. That is the only time you are going to need it.
Exactly. I'm critical of modern Volkswagens in lots of ways, but one thing they absolutely get right is having a molded foam insert for the spare wheel with a specific place in it for every tire changing tool including the wheel lock key.



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