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They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: samintx
Date: July 20, 2021 05:05PM
They are Space travelers or something other than astronauts...who pilot the rocket or plane. I don’t mean to be picky but let’s call both space ventures what the are or aren’t.
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Fritz
Date: July 20, 2021 05:19PM
rastros nuts



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 20, 2021 05:28PM
Astro-nots.



It is what it is.
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: hal
Date: July 20, 2021 05:31PM
astronauts is fine with me...

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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: rgG
Date: July 20, 2021 05:50PM
I have known a lot of “space cadets” who have never been up in a rocket. smiling smiley

Like Astro-nots. thumbsup smiley





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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: btfc
Date: July 20, 2021 06:11PM
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 20, 2021 06:22PM
By your definition, Alan Shepherd was not an astronaut. He had no control over the capsule during his suborbital flight. Neither was any number of payload specialists.

It would be better to use the NASA definition of Astronaut. The space agency will not call anyone an astronaut until they are assigned to an official mission and get to fly. You are an astronaut candidate before that time. So they are not technically astronauts as it was not a NASA mission.

Branson's flight did not get high enough to meet the criteria of space. So they missed out as well.

SpaceX crew made the height and were working with NASA, so they are Astronauts.

The crew of the Challenger were Astronauts because it was a NASA flight that had lifted off. Only two of the three Apollo 1 crewmembers were astronauts - Grissom and White had already flown to space previously. Chaffee had not flown and the mission had not yet started, so he was still a candidate.

But I digress.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 20, 2021 06:29PM
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hal
astronauts is fine with me...


Same here. They would have died just as dead as anyone else if there was a bad enough glitch in these still experimental vehicles.

There’s evidence that at least some, if not all, of them are considerably less than saintly. At the same time I wouldn’t cast any of them as true monsters.

From where I sit, there’s a degree of unclinching that could be done on this subject. The death wishes and the like I’m seeing many places is over the top.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 20, 2021 08:05PM
One member of the Mercury space program and three space flight passengers (Rocketpersons?).



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: July 20, 2021 08:22PM
If you pass the Karman line (100Km/62 Mi) in altitude, I'm perfectly OK with them earning Astronaut wings, or some variation thereof.

I'm willing to debate the status of the passengers and crew of Virgin Galactic's SpaceShip 2, since it achieved the U.S. Armed Forces "line" of 80km/50mi, but not the internationally recognized 100km/62mi Karman "line". However, I would fight to have those people that have previously earned their Astronaut Wings (X-15 pilots, for example) for breaking the 80km line RETAIN their wings.

I congratulate BOTH companies and their passengers, and I see no reason NOT to give them all the accolade they've earned.

We are at the dawn of a new "space age", and we need to adapt.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Racer X
Date: July 20, 2021 08:38PM
So, loading someone into Saddam Hussein's massive cannon, and firing them up would make someone an astronaut?

[en.wikipedia.org]

[en.wikipedia.org]

To me, taking an active part in the actual flight is crucial. Strapped in as living cargo shouldn't count. Being a payload specialist and doing repairs on the ISS, or a satellite should count for example. Your participation is active, not passive.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: lost in space
Date: July 20, 2021 08:50PM
Fearful of space - astronoids



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 20, 2021 08:58PM
joke from 1959

Q:If athletes get athlete's foot, what do astronauts get?
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 20, 2021 09:25PM
The capsule has seating for six, I wonder if they will be putting a flight attendant aboard for safety. It seems like trusting passengers not to screw up is pretty risky.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 20, 2021 11:05PM
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Racer X
So, loading someone into Saddam Hussein's massive cannon, and firing them up would make someone an astronaut?
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No, just a rather nasty pudding like substance ….
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Racer X
Date: July 20, 2021 11:59PM
Oh, Jules Verne had it all worked out. Great read. Taught me how to make gun cotton too.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 21, 2021 08:09AM
I bet you're not ready for this...

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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: July 21, 2021 08:47AM
The elderly lady, yes she was trained and I would consider her somewhat of a astronaut, the others absolutely not.

If I take a deep breath and go underwater for one minute does that make me a scuba diver, I don't think so but now maybe it should.

This whole thing with Bezos and Branson is just rich people bragging rights. At least Musk is planning on going somewhere besides being weightless for 1-2 minutes.

Sorry I'm in a @#$%& mood this morning.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 21, 2021 09:44AM
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Grateful11
The elderly lady, yes she was trained and I would consider her somewhat of a astronaut, the others absolutely not.

If I take a deep breath and go underwater for one minute does that make me a scuba diver, I don't think so but now maybe it should.

Not a scuba diver but It does make you a freediver

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Grateful11
This whole thing with Bezos and Branson is just rich people bragging rights. At least Musk is planning on going somewhere besides being weightless for 1-2 minutes.

Branson will never get beyond what it is now, though it can be used for sending satellites into low earth orbit. His venture is an ego trip that will likely never be profitable.

Bezos New Shepherd is not going much further than what was saw yesterday. But he is working on New Glenn which is a multistage system for heavy lifting and lunar trips similar to SpaceX's Starship. His systems also are using liquid Hydrogen and Oxygen for fuel. The thought is potentially using lunar ice for fuel and use the moon as a jumping-off point. They are also working on landers. So Blue Origins has a viable business model similar to SpaceX but is not as far advanced.



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 21, 2021 10:52AM
I bet you're not ready for this...

Space Cowboy!



That cracked me up.


I have a very tough time considering Branson and Bezos in the same league and earring the title of astronaut.

And I reject the dictionary definition of spam in a can as being an astronaut.

Passengers on a plane are not flight crew, they're just along for the ride.

Being an embedded journalist doesn't make one a soldier, etc.

A civilian riding in the back seat doesn't make him a Blue Angel or Thunderbird, just a guy in back, and note even a GIB.

Even all the spam in the can guys, who had no flight controls, are in a different league than Bezos or Branson.

I'd be more likely to award the title of Astronaut to Felix Baumgartner than anybody in the billionaire boys club.

Calling either of the two Space Poseurs something that on paper puts them in the league of those space pioneers means the definition has to be reevaluated.

In the meantime, Astro-nots works for me.





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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: July 21, 2021 10:57AM
I can’t predict where virgin and blue origins tourist efforts will end up. But I am optimistic that they will have adequate business. The rich are very bored. Both of their systems are 100% reusable. After the rich have their fill, I suspect the price will be lowered to where it will be eventually affordable for mere mortals like us.
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 21, 2021 12:01PM
the rich will line up until something goes wrong and kills the passengers. That will happen at some point.

I wonder how long the liability releases are?



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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: July 21, 2021 05:48PM
As long as it is rare, it won’t matter.
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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 22, 2021 08:30AM
FAA order an who is an astronaut:

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Re: They aren’t astronauts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 22, 2021 12:30PM
Both Virgin and Blue Origins have their own Astronaut wings independent of NASA.

However NASA Wings could be awarded on an honorary basis to “individuals whose contribution to commercial human space flight merits special recognition,” even if they don’t meet all the regular qualifications. The FAA’s associate administrator for commercial space transportation has the final say.

The only one I would hope gets such recognition is Wally Funk, she has spent a lifetime earning them.



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