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If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Acer
Date: August 23, 2021 08:26AM
[www.ebay.com]

Still got unhelpful "Open Box" title, though the description is clear.

Only $540 and 48 bids as I write this. Get in on the ground floor!
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 23, 2021 08:29AM
It appears someone decided to mess with the seller and obviously knew this was just a box.


This is the description now:

Buyer did not pay so I am relisting this. BIDS FROM ACCOUNTS WITH 0 FEEDBACK WILL BE CANCELLED.


This has just been sitting in my closet so I figured someone else might have use for it. Box is in great condition. This listing is for the box only, no camera or camera parts are included. All internal cardboard inserts are intact and undamaged.




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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/23/2021 08:31AM by pRICE cUBE.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: August 23, 2021 09:03AM
Guy’s an idiot
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: August 23, 2021 10:22AM
Hmm... Get an old camera box, paint the inside black, seal the seams, drill an extremely small hole in one end with a needle.

FOR SALE - New Unused Camera


It would be legit as the box is now a pinhole camera.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: August 23, 2021 10:53AM
I have an old Apple RGB monitor box and a Apple II box. Wonder if those are worth anything.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 10:55AM
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Ombligo
Hmm... Get an old camera box, paint the inside black, seal the seams, drill an extremely small hole in one end with a needle.

FOR SALE - New Unused Camera


It would be legit as the box is now a pinhole camera.

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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 10:56AM
Shipping:
$59.80 Expedited Shipping
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 23, 2021 11:42AM
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Carnos Jax
Guy’s an idiot

And an a**hole



Hurts like a bastid...
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 23, 2021 12:10PM
With try #2, he really seems to think he will pull this off and someone will actually pay $2k+ for a box and not be upset.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: August 23, 2021 12:26PM
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Ombligo
Hmm... Get an old camera box, paint the inside black, seal the seams, drill an extremely small hole in one end with a needle.

FOR SALE - New Unused Box Camera


It would be legit as the box is now a pinhole camera.

FTFY.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: zachdog
Date: August 23, 2021 01:04PM
I saw this before and was irritated, so I just sent this to the seller:

"Why don't you clarify that this is an "empty box" in the title? You're going to get hit with a negative and you might be reprimanded by ebay. This is not funny."


The seller responded and said:

"Item is a literal open box in open box condition. I followed ebays listing guide to the letter - bidding started at $15. I forced nobody to bid. Was expecting to maybe get $50 for this so idea why it’s been bid up to $500 but if people aren’t reading the description I can’t do too much about it. Can’t edit the listing now that it’s been bid on (it’s locked).

If the camera were included I could, for instance, say in the description that the camera body was drug through manure and I jammed a knife into the sensor for an art project - but you’d never know unless you read the description."
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 23, 2021 01:07PM
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zachdog
I saw this before and was irritated, so I just sent this to the seller:

"Why don't you clarify that this is an "empty box" in the title? You're going to get hit with a negative and you might be reprimanded by ebay. This is not funny."


The seller responded and said:

"Item is a literal open box in open box condition. I followed ebays listing guide to the letter - bidding started at $15. I forced nobody to bid. Was expecting to maybe get $50 for this so idea why it’s been bid up to $500 but if people aren’t reading the description I can’t do too much about it. Can’t edit the listing now that it’s been bid on (it’s locked).

If the camera were included I could, for instance, say in the description that the camera body was drug through manure and I jammed a knife into the sensor for an art project - but you’d never know unless you read the description."


Now we know this was intentional. It is silly thinking on his part that he will successfully pull off this sale and keep any money. He is going to keep getting crank bids and a waste of his time.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: August 23, 2021 01:13PM
He didn’t follow jack @#$%& on eBay guidelines. Open box is not for an empty box, that disingenuous @#$%&. The title explicitly states it’s a camera in open box condition. Doesn’t matter if the description states otherwise, eBay will side against him if a dispute is opened.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/23/2021 01:21PM by Carnos Jax.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: jdc
Date: August 23, 2021 01:41PM
everyone shoudl just take 2 seconds and report it.





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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 23, 2021 01:59PM
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jdc
everyone shoudl just take 2 seconds and report it.

Done. I've never even attempted to report an item but this guy deserves it.

Maybe I'll start to report the $1,000 wiper blades I see listed.



Hurts like a bastid...
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: August 23, 2021 03:09PM
Ditto
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: August 23, 2021 03:18PM
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jdc
everyone shoudl just take 2 seconds and report it.


It may take away the fun of the previous people who were obviously trolling him and wasting his time in the last auction.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 23, 2021 04:28PM
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jdc
everyone shoudl just take 2 seconds and report it.

I reported it the first time. Nothing happened. But maybe if enough people report it this time...
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Acer
Date: August 23, 2021 04:37PM
Hard to believe there's that many clueless bidders who can't be bothered to read the description. Maybe he's being trolled/brigaded by some other forum in a dark corner of the internet.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 05:10PM
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jdc
everyone shoudl just take 2 seconds and report it.

done. fraudulent listing.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: BernDog
Date: August 23, 2021 05:28PM
He put this one up now too:

[www.ebay.com]

I reported the first one and this one.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/23/2021 05:29PM by BernDog.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 23, 2021 05:46PM
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BernDog
He put this one up now too:

[www.ebay.com]

That one was actually up the first time as well, and "sold" for a reasonable price ($13.50 + $9.55 shipping), but apparently that buyer flaked also.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Racer X
Date: August 23, 2021 07:13PM
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Ombligo
Hmm... Get an old camera box, paint the inside black, seal the seams, drill an extremely small hole in one end with a needle.

FOR SALE - New Unused Camera


It would be legit as the box is now a pinhole camera.

At least include a sheet film holder.....

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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Michael
Date: August 23, 2021 07:14PM
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BernDog
He put this one up now too:

[www.ebay.com]

I reported the first one and this one.

I reported both. Maybe a bunch of reports will make a difference but I'm not holding my breath!
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 07:35PM
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If you think you can get any with crap like this, I hope you soon realize you are wrong. This is stealing. I hope someone will find a way to scam you, the same way you try to scam people here on eBay.

Be honest and delete both listings for empty boxes.

The story about dragging the camera through manure and jamming a knife though the sensor shows that you are just a dishonest person. yes I know this was your response to someone else. We are a community of honest people and we are all against you.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 07:55PM
and the response

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Not forcing anyone to bid. opening price was $15. Listing is beyond clear. Thanks for your interest! Have fun with your buddies.

Didn’t get nearly 300 positive feedback (100% lol) by scamming btw
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 08:07PM
me: Be honest and put EMPTY BOX in the TITLE!

them: Listing is locked now that people have bid and tbh I think it’s clear enough already, thanks.

me: You can stop the listing and start over. of course, a honest person would do that.

them: Why would I waste my time like that?

Messages reported to eBay for harassment.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: August 23, 2021 08:42PM
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space-time
and the response

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Not forcing anyone to bid. opening price was $15. Listing is beyond clear. Thanks for your interest! Have fun with your buddies.

Didn’t get nearly 300 positive feedback (100% lol) by scamming btw

@#$%&, no way he’s done something like this before without getting negative feedback. Therefore possibly the first time he’s pulling a stunt like this. He must think he’s really smart.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 23, 2021 08:44PM
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Nope. You see an actual camera shown or mentioned anywhere in that listing? Oh right, where I state “NO CAMERA INCLUDED”. Sorry. Maybe you need to refamiliarize yourself. Nothing about this listing is “morally wrong” or against ebays policies, or I wouldn’t do it.

A coordinated attack by your “community?” That’s what I’d call morally wrong (as well as bullying and harassment).
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 23, 2021 11:24PM
Guy’s an idiot


No, clearly he's not.

He's a crook of some level.

Scammer, grifter, whatever.

He's made a construct with the hopes of bilking some careless buyer, no doubt with the defense of 'They should have been more careful', while being wholly clueless of the irony.

A quick look at some of the crap he's sold tells me he's been crafting his seller rating just to try to pull of a ripoff.

I saw 'no camera listed' but I didn't see 'NO CAMERA INCLUDED' in the listing.

Did I miss that?

ebay is probably more concerned about getting a piece of the sale than slapping down a ne'er do well.

What's the link to complain to ebay, not that they'll get right on it, but I wouldn't mind dropping a dime.






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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: AllGold
Date: August 23, 2021 11:35PM
I can't figure out the appropriate way to report the listing. None of the categories I choose have an appropriate reason. Any suggestions?
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 24, 2021 06:55AM
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AllGold
I can't figure out the appropriate way to report the listing. None of the categories I choose have an appropriate reason. Any suggestions?

I picked Fraudulent Listing.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: richorlin
Date: August 24, 2021 11:10AM
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space-time
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AllGold
I can't figure out the appropriate way to report the listing. None of the categories I choose have an appropriate reason. Any suggestions?

I picked Fraudulent Listing.
So did I. Maybe with enough complaints, he will be banned from eBay. This is third, or more, listing where he’s done that. Very deceitful. No wonder the last winner refused to pay.



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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 24, 2021 12:51PM
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space-time
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AllGold
I can't figure out the appropriate way to report the listing. None of the categories I choose have an appropriate reason. Any suggestions?

I picked Fraudulent Listing.

Listing Practices
Search and browse manipulation
Misleading title
Then write a brief description: i.e. Title says "Open Box" (implying a camera is included) when it's really an empty product box.

Or choose keyword spamming, since the box is for an A7S III, but he also lists A7 III, A9 and the model code for the A7 III.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/24/2021 03:07PM by Gareth.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 24, 2021 12:52PM
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space-time
them: Why would I waste my time like that?

Hahaha, he'd rather waste his time with a "Not as described" case (and relisting it), apparently!
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 24, 2021 12:56PM
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RAMd®d
What's the link to complain to ebay, not that they'll get right on it, but I wouldn't mind dropping a dime.

On the item page, it's above and to the right of the Description/Shipping and payments section. If you're not familiar with eBay's layout, it's probably easiest just to search for "Report" on the item page (you're looking for "Report item"). This assumes you're using a web browser and not the app. In the app, there's a button towards the end, but kind of buried between the sections of suggested listings.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 24, 2021 01:03PM
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Michael
I reported both. Maybe a bunch of reports will make a difference but I'm not holding my breath!

eBay needs community "super reporters" that are instantly taken seriously and/or potentially pause items on report. I could shut down all the fraudulent Canon "Great White" lens auctions in seconds if given the power!
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: AllGold
Date: August 24, 2021 03:33PM
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Gareth
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space-time
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AllGold
I can't figure out the appropriate way to report the listing. None of the categories I choose have an appropriate reason. Any suggestions?

I picked Fraudulent Listing.

Listing Practices
Search and browse manipulation
Misleading title
Then write a brief description: i.e. Title says "Open Box" (implying a camera is included) when it's really an empty product box.

Or choose keyword spamming, since the box is for an A7S III, but he also lists A7 III, A9 and the model code for the A7 III.

Thanks. I was getting tripped up because I was looking for a way to enter text to describe the problem, not realizing I had to click Continue to get there.

I did the Misleading title and wrote: "Listed as an Open Box digital camera when the actual item is not a digital camera but an empty box."
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 25, 2021 08:20AM
So I tried to create a similar listing but the title was “Don’t buy that EMPTY BOX…” and used the same model number that he had in his title. I made it clear that I won’t ship anything and I will cancel all the bids. And as images I used screenshots from his listing.

All seemed to work fine until eBay asked me to verify my identity. I entered the DOB and last 4 SSN and they blocked me. I have been on eBay since 1999 and I have 80 positive feedback. I sold a few item here and there and bought a few here and there. 22 years. Changed email address on file once about 10 years ago but kept the same username.

Called eBay last night, they asked some security questions and said my ID is now verified and I can list again.

I tried and I hit the same issue.

I am doing this from the App, maybe I should use the laptop to see if I can list from there.
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: Gareth
Date: August 25, 2021 12:20PM
It's also interesting that most of his other items are Buy-It-Now, yet he lists these as auctions (along with a few other items that have no bids).

The price for an empty box is pretty well established at $15 + $7 shipping when you have a well known outfit selling boxes for that price (and properly titled): [www.ebay.com]
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Re: If you missed your chance for that $5000 empty box, it's back!
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 25, 2021 05:22PM
I did it

[www.ebay.com]
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