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I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: hal
Date: September 17, 2021 04:02PM
A couple of new fires are growing and looking like they are gonna merge then take aim at MANY of the giant sequoia groves in Sequoia National park. Pictures do not do justice - these things are unimaginably HUGE!


(luckily, this one is in Yosemite and isn't now threatened)
(PS, I just realized that this is a pic of Pres Roosevelt with John Muir - if you never read about their adventure in Yosemite, you should...)

General Sherman (the biggest living thing on earth) has been wrapped in preparation. I expect a lot more wrap as the threat gets closer.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/2021 04:15PM by hal.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 17, 2021 04:08PM
3000 years old, gone in an hour. They are built to withstand, indeed thrive after, ordinary forest fire, but these massive burns are not ordinary. They get way too hot.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: RgrF
Date: September 17, 2021 04:17PM
General Sherman (the biggest living thing on earth) has been wrapped in preparation. I expect a lot more wrap as the threat gets closer.

Those foil wraps have proven successful, they've already saved a dozen or so homes that would have burned to the ground. Not sure what the structural integrity of those houses look like after enduring that sort of intense heat.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: wurm
Date: September 17, 2021 04:19PM
Bummer. I remember as a kid seeing the pictures of a car driving through one of them and always hoped I'd get to see one in person. I still may, but...

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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: hal
Date: September 17, 2021 04:20PM
The bark on those things is so weird - you can hold a lighter to it all day and it won't burn.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: hal
Date: September 17, 2021 04:22PM
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wurm
Bummer. I remember as a kid seeing the pictures of a car driving through one of them and always hoped I'd get to see one in person. I still may, but...


that tree collapsed years ago - probably because someone cut a big hole in it...
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 17, 2021 05:03PM
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hal
The bark on those things is so weird - you can hold a lighter to it all day and it won't burn.

They say now the fires are so much hotter that they're taking them out. That's one of my favorite parks. I'm very anxious about it.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 17, 2021 05:09PM
I know our firefighters are going to put their typical Herculean effort and fight hard to protect our resources. It's unbelievable.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 17, 2021 05:10PM
Got it... luckily.

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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: hal
Date: September 17, 2021 05:10PM
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The bark on those things is so weird - you can hold a lighter to it all day and it won't burn.

They say now the fires are so much hotter that they're taking them out. That's one of my favorite parks. I'm very anxious about it.

I think this is a bit of a misunderstanding. The seeds require fire to get the germination started, but super hot fires just burn up the seeds and that is a big danger to the species. I'm not all that worried about the trees actually burning - at least not the ones like Gen Sherman that are in very well 'raked' forests with roads that allow FFs to get there and defend with everything they got. Fingers crossed...
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: Racer X
Date: September 17, 2021 05:11PM
Just saw them in July. And I watched Paul F eat. Not sure which was more awe-inspiring


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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: rgG
Date: September 17, 2021 05:17PM
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Just saw them in July. And I watched Paul F eat. Not sure which was more awe-inspiring

Well, one is over a thousand years old and one will eat something about that old. smiley-laughing001




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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: hal
Date: September 17, 2021 05:22PM
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Just saw them in July. And I watched Paul F eat. Not sure which was more awe-inspiring

livin' the dream...
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: September 17, 2021 05:23PM
BTW, Sequoia bark is naturally fire-resistant and the trees normally wouldn't normally catch fire anywhere that's dangerous. However over 100 years of suppression of natural forest fires has allowed the surrounding firs and pines to grow tall enough (instead of being burned dead) that now those trees will allow any fire to spread all the way up to the canopies of the Sequoias and burn their leaves and branches, thus killing them off once and for all.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: September 17, 2021 05:28PM
If ANY trees will survive such a fire, these are them.

Let's hope the rain we're supposed to get up here tomorrow extends far enough to get things at least damp down that way.


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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 17, 2021 06:30PM
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The bark on those things is so weird - you can hold a lighter to it all day and it won't burn.

They say now the fires are so much hotter that they're taking them out. That's one of my favorite parks. I'm very anxious about it.

I think this is a bit of a misunderstanding. The seeds require fire to get the germination started, but super hot fires just burn up the seeds and that is a big danger to the species. I'm not all that worried about the trees actually burning - at least not the ones like Gen Sherman that are in very well 'raked' forests with roads that allow FFs to get there and defend with everything they got. Fingers crossed...

Fingers crossed!
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: steve...
Date: September 17, 2021 06:30PM
I've never seen the big ones but I planted a small one in my yard last spring. Only 4' tall but it seems to be doing well here on the coast.



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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: September 17, 2021 07:21PM
Well, one is over a thousand years old and one will eat something about that old


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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: bfd
Date: September 17, 2021 09:47PM
Spent quite a bit of time in the Mineral King valley and over to Big Arroyo -->Kern River.

There are two small Sequoia groves as you drive the 25 mile one-lane road into Mineral King.

The fire is close. Three Rivers (where the road to Mineral King starts/ends) is evacuated right now.

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There should be a new picture facing Farewell Gap (to the south of the valley) tomorrow. The camera facing north (towards Timber Gap) takes pictures more frequently and shows quite a bit of smoke.
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: wave rider
Date: September 18, 2021 10:18AM
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If ANY trees will survive such a fire, these are them.

Let's hope the rain we're supposed to get up here tomorrow extends far enough to get things at least damp down that way.

I washed my car Thursday to make sure it rains…


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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: btfc
Date: September 18, 2021 12:30PM
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: testcase
Date: September 18, 2021 02:30PM
I did get to experience them back in 2013. They ARE amazing. I sure hope they survive!
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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: hal
Date: September 18, 2021 02:52PM
here's a really good overview of where things stand right now.

This guy discussed the fire while hovering over a fancy google earth screen that includes the areas where the giant sequoia groves are at and also points out areas of prescribed burning in the last five years and last 10 years (anything beyond 10 is considered too old to be of help).

The good news is that the area surrounding the big groves has seen many prescribed burns in the last 5 & 10 years. I feel pretty sure the Sherman is safe. THey should be able to defend that area...

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Re: I hope y'all have experienced a giant Sequoia because many of them are being threatened by fire
Posted by: Ken Sp.
Date: September 18, 2021 11:10PM
This area had very severe winds just a little bit over a year ago that knocked down many of the unnamed trees. Luckily the older, larger trees were unscathed. Part of the problem, is that there is a lot of fuel for these fires because of those previously downed trees.
It was a year ago next month, that I visited Sequoia, while other fires were burning nearby but not in that close proximity.
As a young child, I remember driving through one of those cut out trees. A lifelong memory!
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