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Where to buy music online?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: September 27, 2021 08:34PM
I'm looking for a new place to purchase music. For many years I've used the iTunes store but I keep getting errors from the store and I'm ready to move on. Ultimately whatever I buy will go into my iTunes library. It's important that the downloaded music be high quality but as I mentioned it will go into iTunes so the format needs to be compatible. Where would you recommend?



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: September 27, 2021 08:37PM
Qobuz, without a doubt.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: September 27, 2021 09:10PM
Amazon.com?



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: graylocks
Date: September 27, 2021 09:17PM
For non-mainstream music that directly supports the artists you might check out BandCamp

Their music formats support MP3 V0, MP3 320, FLAC, AAC, Ogg Vorbis, ALAC, WAV, AIFF.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: jdc
Date: September 27, 2021 11:38PM
How "high quality" are we talking about? Like $1000 earphone quality?





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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 28, 2021 06:32AM
For many years I've used the iTunes store but I keep getting errors from the store and I'm ready to move on.

What errors? it may be easier to figure out what the issues is than switch platforms.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 28, 2021 06:35AM
I use Bandcamp, but not every more "mainstream" artist is there; it's more of an "indie" site.

Otherwise, go directly to the artist's page.

Edit: I see what I wrote was covered above



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: September 28, 2021 07:45AM
I use Bandcamp primarily. iTunes and Amazon for everything else.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 28, 2021 07:48AM
.....tried to use Bandcamp.....but this one time....at Bandcamp.....



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Tiki2000
Date: September 28, 2021 09:56AM
Non main stream music ---> Bandcamp
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: ArtP
Date: September 28, 2021 10:34AM
iTunes and Amazon were the go to "stores" for digital music, as others have mentioned Bandcamp is also an option.

There is a site called Beatport that deals primarily with EDM and Dance music but recently they started a streaming service catered to DJs so "eventually" their offerings for purchase may expand to more mainstream offerings.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: September 28, 2021 10:47AM
Thank you for all of the good suggestions. I'm going to explore each one.

jdc, my speakers are Magnepan 3.7i with an Accuphase P-300 amplifier. I'm not sure where this falls on the hifi spectrum. I've been happy with the quality of Apple's AAC files but I've been hesitant about returning to MP3 files as I've read they are not as good unless the bitrate is very high.

space-time, when I purchase music I'm getting an error that says I don't have permission to save the file (my paraphrase). I've checked the permissions on my Synology NAS using their software and they are set correctly. I've used the Finder to check permissions and they are set correctly. I've tried resetting the permissions on all folders and files using both of those utilities with no luck. I've run both DiskUtility and DiskWarrior with no luck.

What appears to happen is iTunes downloads the audio file to /Volumes/Media/iTunes/Downloads/Folder with name of song/file with generic name.aac . Once the song completes downloading iTunes attempts to do something with the file (rename, move possibly both) that fails and it then displays the error. Strangely movies and tv shows purchased from iTunes don't have any problems at all. Only music has a problem. If I get my media from someplace other than the iTunes store the import never hits the Downloads folder but instead goes directly where it should go with no errors.



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I’ve added some recipes and spiritual thoughts as well.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 28, 2021 10:54AM
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davemchine
I've been hesitant about returning to MP3 files as I've read they are not as good unless the bitrate is very high.

True. But can you HEAR it? With my ears, I know I can't. It's a cheap test to try it.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: mikebw
Date: September 28, 2021 11:03AM
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davemchine
I've been hesitant about returning to MP3 files as I've read they are not as good unless the bitrate is very high.

True. But can you HEAR it? With my ears, I know I can't. It's a cheap test to try it.

In my experience as someone who deals with audio all day, 256kbps stereo mp3 are fine for listening, assuming 16-bit 44.1K, or better of course.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 28, 2021 11:04AM
If I'm only playing music in the background, and not really "listening", then a 320 kb/s mp3 is okay. However, if I'm truly listening, then I can easily discern the fact that it's a lousy mp3.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: jdc
Date: September 28, 2021 12:25PM
Im with S-t, maybe there is a way to chat with apple and see if the problem can be fixed, before trying an entirely new system?

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If I'm only playing music in the background, and not really "listening", then a 320 kb/s mp3 is okay. However, if I'm truly listening, then I can easily discern the fact that it's a lousy mp3.

I know this might be blasphemy -- but have you thought about Spotify? You can download 10,000 songs on their premium plan. Im not sure the bitrate, but they stream at 320. I only have $100 Klipsch Promeidas -- so nothing too fancy, but sound is great to my ears.

They also have a new service coming out called "hifi" that will stream at 1440, same as amazon.

Spotify premium is free for 3 months? Their library is massive...





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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 28, 2021 12:36PM
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jdc
Im with S-t, maybe there is a way to chat with apple and see if the problem can be fixed, before trying an entirely new system?

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freeradical
If I'm only playing music in the background, and not really "listening", then a 320 kb/s mp3 is okay. However, if I'm truly listening, then I can easily discern the fact that it's a lousy mp3.

I know this might be blasphemy -- but have you thought about Spotify? You can download 10,000 songs on their premium plan. Im not sure the bitrate, but they stream at 320. I only have $100 Klipsch Promeidas -- so nothing too fancy, but sound is great to my ears.

They also have a new service coming out called "hifi" that will stream at 1440, same as amazon.

Spotify premium is free for 3 months? Their library is massive...


The classical streaming service I subscribe to, Idagio, streams lossless. There's another classical streaming service that streams at high resolution better than CD quality. Why don't pop streaming services do this? Maybe they figure that everyone is using earbuds and can't tell the difference? I don't know. I listen to the classical streaming service on my planar magnetic headphones. Quite nice it is...
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: September 28, 2021 12:53PM
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Why without a doubt?



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: graylocks
Date: September 28, 2021 03:11PM
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jdc
I know this might be blasphemy -- but have you thought about Spotify? You can download 10,000 songs on their premium plan. Im not sure the bitrate, but they stream at 320. I only have $100 Klipsch Promeidas -- so nothing too fancy, but sound is great to my ears.

They also have a new service coming out called "hifi" that will stream at 1440, same as amazon.

I've been working on a project that has had me doing a lot of close listening to tracks on Spotify. Some of those tracks I'm extremely familiar with because they are mine. Although I use Spotify a lot I have realized it really is close to crappy which is saying a lot because I'm practically deaf in one ear. Yes, i have premium.

It's fine for in the room while doing something else, though.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: September 28, 2021 03:14PM
I subscribe to Pandora, Spotify, Tidal and Youtube Music but I mostly use them for music discovery. I still purchase the music that I enjoy most. Thank you for all of the help. It will take me a minute to go thru these download services. :-)



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: jdc
Date: September 28, 2021 03:24PM
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davemchine
I subscribe to Pandora, Spotify, Tidal and Youtube Music but I mostly use them for music discovery. I still purchase the music that I enjoy most. Thank you for all of the help. It will take me a minute to go thru these download services. :-)

LOL, think you should have lead with this... =)





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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 28, 2021 03:26PM
......will listen to some music from the library [ depending on what they have available ].......



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: September 28, 2021 03:42PM
I am fortunate in that my hearing pretty much sucks these days so I am fine with Apple Music.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 28, 2021 05:40PM
The thing about compressed music is you don't realize it unless you've been exposed to the good stuff.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 28, 2021 08:46PM
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The thing about compressed music is you don't realize it unless you've been exposed to the good stuff.

When I used to sell stereo systems and the customer's budget was for for $200 speakers we never played the ones that cost $1000 unless we wanted to send them home with nothing, feeling dejected. ;)

But overall, listeners need to CARE about any differences they detect, otherwise not-caring tends to turn into not-hearing. smiling smiley

It's the same with other hobbies, cars, hookers 'n booze, vacations, houses: Before you can contemplate spending money you need money, but even if you have money you need to then care about spending it.

Back when I collected music I bought LPs if a best-quality LP existed, or high-res files if that was best. For everything else a standard 16/44 file or CD often does the job. But no, I never chose to spend money on lossy files unless that was the only option.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: September 28, 2021 09:27PM
I don't know how discerning my listening skills are. Probably not all that great. I chose the Magnepan speakers because they sound transparent and the Accuphase because it was gifted to me.

I tried comparing Apple's AAC to a lossless format a few years ago but since then I've updated my DAC and my speakers. I'd have to repeat that experiment to see if it's worthwhile. I suspect for my ears it isn't. What I do hear on a regular basis is the difference in mastering. Some "albums" sound amazing while others are only so-so sounding (even if the songs are great). That's frustrating but that's the way it is.

I did try LP's as an experiment and it didn't take very long to determine they are inferior in almost every way possible. I'm glad I tried it as now whenever I see those hifi threads about how great LP's are I can discount them. One good quality of LP's is that some music is only available on LP. Wish I had time to spend on that.



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I’ve added some recipes and spiritual thoughts as well.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: September 28, 2021 10:21PM
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Qobuz, without a doubt.

Why without a doubt?

No MQA crap, no DRM hassles, great sound quality, great pricing, wide variety of downloadable file formats (including Apple Lossless), and Qobuz is not a monopolistic wannabe like Amazon or Apple.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: September 28, 2021 10:58PM
Apple Music is available in AppleLossless as well (Stream, not purchase, AFAIK).

You can turn Spatial Audio on/off.



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 29, 2021 08:43AM
.....I buy of my buttercup.....poor little butter cup......though I can never say why......



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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 29, 2021 10:59AM
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... I'm glad I tried it as now whenever I see those hifi threads about how great LP's are I can discount them ...


LPs can be the worst, or the best depending on implementation.
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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: September 29, 2021 11:09AM
It’s weird to see LP @walmart

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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: September 29, 2021 12:54PM
If I'm only playing music in the background, and not really "listening", then a 320 kb/s mp3 is okay. However, if I'm truly listening, then I can easily discern the fact that it's a lousy mp3.


This is I.

And I often just kick back and listen to music, so I want ALAC at a minimum.


The thing about compressed music is you don't realize it unless you've been exposed to the good stuff.


This, too.

Often, differences can be discerned with a simple A/B comparison.

Then there's blind and double-blind comparisons for tougher differentiation.



But overall, listeners need to CARE about any differences they detect, otherwise not-caring tends to turn into not-hearing.


This.

This is where good enough is good enough where good isn't very good, but it's all relative if one doesn't really care.

I've not invested much money in speakers, which generally should be about half the cost of one music system, if audio quality is an actual consideration.

At least that's a common recommendation, and I tend to agree as it's not particularly productive to send an arguably pristine single down the chain only to exit via inferior speakers.

When I wanted to upgrade from my Advent Larger speakers, I went to an audio store in Berkeley (there was a lot of them at the time) and their sound room had several brand they sold along with popular brands for comparison, and the Larger Advents were one of those.

So we did a quick A/B and I heard little difference, and I suspect that was to judge my appreciation of better speakers.

But after listening to a lot of music that I was familiar with, for an extended time (30min) on a pair of Epicure (long out of business) speakers, going back to the Advents was a disappointment.

Their deficiencies were obvious, though after I noted that, the Demo Guy articulated what I was hearing, and why I didn't hear them in the Epics.

After that, the differences were obvious even when A/B-ing the speakers at 15s intervals.

So while A/B can demonstrate gross differences, long term listen may be needed to provide some level of self-education and appreciate better sound.

That's especially true of auditioning high-end speakers where differences may exist only on a chart or 'scope, or about one's range of hearing.

It may not happen, but one day I'd like to 'level up' my speakers.





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Re: Where to buy music online?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: September 30, 2021 06:29AM
Hi everyone,

I guess maybe I'm a bit more old-fashioned. I still prefer buying on CD and then ripping it into the format of my choice. That way, I choose the specs of the rip. The only time I buy digital is when the item I want to purchase is digital only. Otherwise, buy the disc and rip.

Back when .mp3 was in its earliest stages, I concerned myself with how much space each file would take up on my mp3 player and found a good balance between file size and audio quality. These days? Storage isn't a concern at all.

The problem is the amount of time it'll take to rip my entire collection again. It'd be _very_ time consuming. Since most of my listening is either in my warehouse while working (where I listen to streaming music or ripped music), the car (where I listen to ripped music) or working out (where I listen to streaming or ripped music), I'm leaving well enough alone. Works for me.

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Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: September 30, 2021 09:36AM
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It’s weird to see LP @walmart

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Walmart? Try seeing them at Bed, Bath & Beyond!



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