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Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 14, 2021 07:54PM
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DALLAS (AP) — A former Boeing pilot was indicted Thursday by a federal grand jury on charges of deceiving safety regulators about the 737 Max jetliner, which was later involved in two deadly crashes.

The indictment charges Mark A. Forkner with giving the Federal Aviation Administration false and incomplete information about an automated flight-control system that played a role in the crashes, which killed 346 people.

Prosecutors said that because of Forkner’s alleged deception, the system was not mentioned in pilot manuals or training materials.

An attorney for Forkner did not immediately respond for comment. Boeing and the FAA declined to comment.

Forkner, 49, was charged with two counts of fraud involving aircraft parts in interstate commerce and four counts of wire fraud. Federal prosecutors said he is expected to make his first appearance in court on Friday in Fort Worth, Texas. If convicted on all counts, he could face a sentence of up to 100 years in prison.

The indictment charges that he hid information about a flight-control system that activated erroneously and pushed down the noses of Max jets that crashed in 2018 in Indonesia, and 2019 in Ethiopia. The pilots tried unsuccessfully to regain control, but both planes went into nosedives minutes after taking off.

Forkner was Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the Max program. Prosecutors said that Forkner learned about an important change to the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System flight-control system in 2016, but withheld the information from the FAA. That led the agency to delete reference to MCAS from a technical report and, in turn, it didn’t appear in pilot manuals. Most pilots didn’t know about MCAS until after the first crash.

Prosecutors suggested that Forkner downplayed the power of the system to avoid a requirement that pilots undergo extensive and expensive retraining, which would increase training costs for airlines. Congressional investigators suggested additional training would have added $1 million to the price of each plane.

“In an attempt to save Boeing money, Forkner allegedly withheld critical information from regulators,” said Chad Meacham, acting U.S. attorney for the northern district of Texas. “His callous choice to mislead the FAA hampered the agency’s ability to protect the flying public and left pilots in the lurch, lacking information about certain 737 MAX flight controls.”



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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: October 14, 2021 08:07PM
A pilot? Wow. Fall guy for sure.




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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: davester
Date: October 14, 2021 08:26PM
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Stage Five
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I think we're at stage 4, though I don't think this guy is totally innocent, but he is definitely a sacrificial lamb.



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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: Racer X
Date: October 14, 2021 08:47PM
Right. 100% of all of it is just this one guy.... RollingEyesSmiley5



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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: October 14, 2021 09:06PM
What a den of vipers….
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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: October 14, 2021 09:20PM
Forkner was Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the Max program.
Actually, Forkner was the CTP for Boeing's entire 737 division. In reality,
that's a corporate position, not just a simple "pilot".
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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: STL
Date: October 15, 2021 07:24AM
Hardly a fall guy. He lied to the FAA and about 350 people died in 2 plane crashes.
Boeings CEO was canned shortly after he testified to Congress about the MAX.
Watch the video at the link. Very informative.
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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: October 15, 2021 08:45AM
He didn't act alone, but he's not innocent either. My guess is that people above him didn't understand the ramifications of what he was saying/doing but they were directing him to find ways to cut costs/boost profits. He delivered, they accepted/tolerated, and chaos ensued.



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Re: Fall guy for Boeing 737 debacle indicted
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: October 15, 2021 09:23AM
....Lee Majors will always be the Fall Guy.....to me......



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