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Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 24, 2021 12:02AM
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 24, 2021 01:14AM
Thank you, Dennis, for posting this, and it opens fine.



First of all, blank guns are real guns. Semi-autos are what we call "blank adapted" but that is purely for the *function* of the gun, not for safety (a projectile could still exit). Revolvers, shotguns, etc we use unmodified

In other words, you can take a revolver from a movie set and load live ammo into it. (We sometimes have demilled props and other variations but blank fire would almost always be real guns)

When we say a "prop gun" on a film set we mean a rubber or a replica that does not fire. We do not mean a blank firing gun. We call blank fire guns real guns because as I said, they are real.



These are three points I maintain about guns and gun handling on TV shows and movies, though I'm not an armorer.

There is still much to be explained in the Baldwin shooting, but this post does a lot to explain much about standard practices for the same use of firearms.





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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Racer X
Date: October 24, 2021 01:43AM
Revolvers are used unmodified.

Baldwin pointed a real revolver at someone assuming it wasn't loaded. Bad move. Any of us would either be behind bars, or out on bail awaiting charges.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: October 24, 2021 02:48AM
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Revolvers are used unmodified.

Baldwin pointed a real revolver at someone assuming it wasn't loaded. Bad move. Any of us would either be behind bars, or out on bail awaiting charges.

You’re assuming way too much.

First of all, Alec Baldwin wasn’t “assuming” anything. The person who handed him the gun told him specifically it was unloaded; “cold” in the industry’s vernacular.

Further, It was stated during the 911 call from a person on set, that the discharge happened while they were rehearsing. Meaning those struck may have been inadvertently/unknowingly in the line of fire while rehearsing, setting up, checking camera angles or any of a number circumstances not involving Baldwin being blithely careless or intentionally pointing the gun at them.

There’s no need for a rush to assign blame. Certainly, Baldwin could have been playing around or thoughtlessly putting others at risk. But facts are still being gathered and investigated, and as far as we know, there’s yet to be specific evidence that points in that particular direction. Time will tell, while conclusions are jumped to and axes are ground.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 24, 2021 03:18AM
assuming it wasn't loaded. Bad move.


You or I, or any number of other members in Alec's place, would have checked ourselves upon receiving the gun from whomever, even the armorer.

But that's not something we expect from an actor.

There are people for that.

Or, there are supposed to be.

Now, I'm with you on pointing the muzzle at somebody, assuming they didn't unexpectedly walk into the line of fire.

And we still don't know 'how the gun fired' or even the make model of the gun or the type of munition in it.

And assuming it's a single action revolver, the hammer has to be cocked in a separate action prior to pulling the trigger to fire.

So this makes the 'just when off' claim very curious, at best.





Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: October 24, 2021 09:58AM
Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years. We teach kids about the dangers of drugs, alcohol, unprotected sex, driving under the influence, etc. We don't teach them the dangers of firearms anymore. Then we wonder why people who come a cross a firearm for any reason do stupid things.
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: October 24, 2021 12:13PM
The armorer who wrote the piece cited had this to say,
”Experienced 1st ADs [Assistant Director] absolutely know how gunfire scenes should work. They know how to run them in conjunction with an armorer. They know if proper safety is being followed.

(You never, ever want to lack a good 1st AD. This is only one of many reasons.)”


The person who both selected the gun and told Baldwin it was “cold” (unloaded) was the Assistant Director. Should Baldwin have trusted him to know his job? Normally, yes. Unfortunately, the case appears to be different this time. This AD has a poor record regarding safety, gun safety in particular.

CNN
” An assistant director on the film set of "Rust" was the subject of complaints over safety and his behavior on set during two productions in 2019, two people who worked closely with him tell CNN.

The complaints against assistant director Dave Halls include a disregard for safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics… “

“… Maggie Goll, an IATSE Local 44 prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said in a statement to CNN that while working on Hulu's "Into the Dark" Anthology Series in February and May of 2019, Halls neglected to hold safety meetings and consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set to the crew, as is protocol.

"The only reason the crew was made aware of a weapon's presence was because the assistant prop master demanded Dave acknowledge and announce the situation each day," Goll's statement reads.

“… The Prop Master frequently admonished Dave for dismissing the talent without returning props, weapon included, or failing to make safety announcements…. "

“… A crew member who also worked in the productions but requested to not be named for fear of retaliation corroborated Goll's accounts, saying that when Halls did hold safety meetings, they were short and he was dismissive, saying the guns used would be the same as the production always uses, and questioning why they'd have to hold the meetings in the first place.

The crew member also said Halls complained about having a gun "cleared" (inspected by a licensed professional on set, such as an armorer) for a scene where an actress would aim the gun to her own head and pull the trigger.




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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: space-time
Date: October 24, 2021 01:40PM
I think they rarely show cigarettes in movies these days, or if they do, it’s very rare. But there are plenty of guns.
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: graylocks
Date: October 24, 2021 02:16PM
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space-time
I think they rarely show cigarettes in movies these days, or if they do, it’s very rare. But there are plenty of guns.

The streaming services show a warning alongside the rating if smoking is depicted.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: October 24, 2021 02:33PM
At the risk of this turning political, my wife and I had a long discussion about guns in regards to our son. I was raised in PA. You’re handed a shotgun and a deer rifle at 12, if not sooner. I was raised around and with guns. I was always taught respect and caution for the guns, but they were treated as a tool. My wife was raised in a very different environment. She was taught that guns are boogie men that will randomly fire and kill people. I pointed out that there are more guns than people in the US. The odds are that at some point everyone will encounter a gun of some type, and at any given moment there’s likely more than one gun within 100ft of you if you’re among any sizable population of people in the US. I asked her would she rather our son encounter guns and be curious and uneducated about gun safety or curious and knowledgeable about gun safety. The gun encounter is all but inevitable. My guns are locked in a safe and have trigger locks. The ammo is kept separate from the guns. I’ve told the boy if he ever wants to handle the guns or shoot them I’ll gladly take him out to do so. We’ve gone over gun safety rules, expectations and best practices. But the expectation is that he doesn’t touch my guns without me.

Back to this topic: if you’re going to handle real guns on a movie set that are capable of firing live rounds, every person on the set should be required to complete a gun safety course. They should become proficient with the weapons in live fire scenarios so that they understand the risks and the expectations. YOU DON’T EVER TRUST SOMEONE ELSE WHEN THEY HAND YOU A GUN. You check it yourself and verify that it has been safed. When you take the gun in your hand you are responsible for what happens with it. If you don’t know how to handle it responsibly you shouldn’t even touch it. As a professional actor, even an anti gun advocate, if you need to handle guns as a part of your occupation you need to know how to handle them.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 24, 2021 04:27PM
Cigarette smoking is certainly making a comeback in movies, and in Brit TV shows from 'premium' streamers.

It's for authenticity. (Assume that was written with dripping sarcasm.)

It would seem fairly certain at this point that Baldwin or someone made a poor choice of 1st AD, and that there were many red flags that should have been respected before the fatal shooting.

And yes, if Baldwin knew what he was doing and had checked the weapon, this death would not have occurred.

But I think it unreasonable to require every actor who will handle a weapon to be skilled in checking a weapon's status.

Yes, it's a basic skill for any gun user, but not necessarily for any actor, because although basic for some of us, it is a skill, that must be learned, and it not the same for every firearm, though basically the same.

I've seen people who can't really pull a slide back sufficiently to check a semi-auto.

If an actor is concerned, right up to the moment of filming a scene the armorer or 1st AD must be capable of showing the weapon to be safe.

That's their job.

This tragedy was absolutely preventable and without the necessity of Baldwin being capable of checking the status of weapon.

Someone somewhere chose to ignore several safety issues that could have easily prevented this.

I hope we find out how this happened.





Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 24, 2021 05:56PM
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RAMd®d
You or I, or any number of other members in Alec's place, would have checked ourselves upon receiving the gun from whomever, even the armorer.

I suspect not. From what I've read, the armorer and the 1st AD are responsible for the final checks to ensure that the weapon is ready to be used in the shot before the shot proceeds. The VERY LAST THING either of them would want is for an actor - or anybody else - to "check" the weapon after they cleared it for use.

Were such a thing to happen, I suspect either of them (or anybody else with the authority to do so) would IMMEDIATELY stop the shoot and the process of checking the weapon as per the authorized procedure would begin all over again.

Allowing the actor to have final say regarding weapon safety on set is akin to an attorney permitting a mailroom clerk to advise a client on legal matters - it ain't gonna happen.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: October 24, 2021 06:09PM
Like ztirffritz, I grew up with a healthy respect for firearms. I took my son to a gun range when he was five or six and had him target shoot. as he grew I made sure he understand that a gun was a tool and not a toy.

However, I am going to give a reason why an actor could be advised to refuse any firearm training or even to check the safety of a prop weapon they will be using. A lawyer will tell you that in doing so you accept responsibility and therefore liability if something happens. Avoiding both responsibility and liability will reduce culpability both in criminal and civil court.

That may sound cold, but it is sound legal advice.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: October 24, 2021 07:00PM
if you’re going to handle real guns on a movie set that are capable of
firing live rounds, every person on the set should be required to complete
a gun safety course

.this

I know an actor who was on a TV 'cop show' not filmed in CA. Every actor
and crew member who handled firearms was required to pass an approved GSC.
Secondly, you never point any weapon at another person unless you
intend to kill them. Unloaded or loaded with 'blanks' you never,
ever point the weapon at anyone.
There is no one 'fall guy' for this tragedy, there's a lot of blame to be assigned.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: MindMeld
Date: October 24, 2021 07:10PM
Any firearm you handle is ALWAYS LOADED until you personally check the firing chamber.
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 24, 2021 07:47PM
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MrNoBody
Unloaded or loaded with 'blanks' you never, ever point the weapon at anyone.

Hard to make movies that way.

Also, it’s clear that loaded or not, gun owners point real guns at people frequently. Not too unusually, they sometimes kill them by accident.

But I know, that’s an irresponsible gun owner, which hardly any gun owner is, right? Heck, just last week, we heard from one on this board who said he always kept his guns locked up, except for one that was loaded and “kept within arm’s reach” at all times.

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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: October 25, 2021 09:30AM
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macphanatic
Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: October 25, 2021 09:46AM
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macphanatic
Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.



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Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 25, 2021 11:56AM
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Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.

We had a California Cadet rifle team at my SoCal subarban HS in the early '80s. As I recall, they managed to not shoot even a single person.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: October 25, 2021 12:36PM
Many schools with JROTC have rifle teams that compete and can be considered a varsity sport. They use single-shot air rifles. To the retired military NCO's in charge of those cadets, they may as well be fully loaded SAW's. Safety is first and foremost.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: October 25, 2021 12:48PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
I suspect not. From what I've read, the armorer and the 1st AD are responsible for the final checks to ensure that the weapon is ready to be used in the shot before the shot proceeds. The VERY LAST THING either of them would want is for an actor - or anybody else - to "check" the weapon after they cleared it for use.

Were such a thing to happen, I suspect either of them (or anybody else with the authority to do so) would IMMEDIATELY stop the shoot and the process of checking the weapon as per the authorized procedure would begin all over again.

Allowing the actor to have final say regarding weapon safety on set is akin to an attorney permitting a mailroom clerk to advise a client on legal matters - it ain't gonna happen.

While I agree that safety procedures on set are not necessarily "real world" where the end-user should be expected to check the firearm - If I were an actor, knowing what I know, I would want it in my contract that the licensed and bonded Armorer would perform any loading and checks in my presence, before I would be taking custody of a firearm for a scene.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: October 25, 2021 12:55PM
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Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.

We had a California Cadet rifle team at my SoCal subarban HS in the early '80s. As I recall, they managed to not shoot even a single person.

We had .22 target rifles (and a rifle range) in our suburban (10 minutes from Pittsburgh) HS. I was on the team for 4 years.

For away matches, we would put the rifles into cases, get on a school bus, and go. Yes, we had the ammo, too. I don't remember if it was locked up in the range (the rifles weren't).

It seems surreal, now.
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Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 25, 2021 01:00PM
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Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.

We had a California Cadet rifle team at my SoCal subarban HS in the early '80s. As I recall, they managed to not shoot even a single person.

We had .22 target rifles (and a rifle range) in our suburban (10 minutes from Pittsburgh) HS. I was on the team for 4 years.

For away matches, we would put the rifles into cases, get on a school bus, and go. Yes, we had the ammo, too. I don't remember if it was locked up in the range (the rifles weren't).

It seems surreal, now.

If that seems surreal, let me tell you about the time I walked around school for an entire day with a .22 revolver strapped to my hip...



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: October 25, 2021 03:55PM
A sad picture seems to be forming around this incident.

Assistant Director David Halls was a tragedy waiting to happen.
  • It has now come to light that Hall was fired from a production following a firearms near miss.
    ”Dave Halls was serving as assistant director on the film “Freedom’s Path” in 2019, when a gun “unexpectedly discharged” on set, causing a sound crew member to recoil from the blast, halting production, the production company Rocket Soul Studios said Monday.

    The sound crew member was evaluated by an on-set medic and advised to seek medical treatment….”

    “… Following the incident, Halls was removed from the set and fired from the production, the company said.

    “Halls was removed from set immediately after the prop gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Dave was off site. An incident report was taken and filed at that time,” it said.”
  • Hall had a history of being resistant to complying with safety procedures.
    CNN
    ”[Assistant Director David Halls] was the subject of complaints over safety and his behavior on set during two productions in 2019, two people who worked closely with him tell CNN….”

    “… Maggie Goll, an IATSE Local 44 prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said in a statement to CNN that while working on Hulu's "Into the Dark" Anthology Series in February and May of 2019, Halls neglected to hold safety meetings and consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set to the crew, as is protocol….”

    “… The Prop Master frequently admonished Dave for dismissing the talent without returning props, weapon included, or failing to make safety announcements….”

    “… A crew member who also worked in the productions… corroborated Goll's accounts, saying that when Halls did hold safety meetings, they were short and he was dismissive, saying the guns used would be the same as the production always uses, and questioning why they'd have to hold the meetings in the first place.

  • One of the 2019 incidents sounding particularly egregious.
    ”The crew member also said Halls complained about having a gun "cleared" (inspected by a licensed professional on set, such as an armorer) for a scene where an actress would aim the gun to her own head and pull the trigger.



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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: October 25, 2021 04:01PM
CNN has an update stating that the discharge occurred while Baldwin was rehearsing drawing the gun.
”The shot that killed a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set last week was fired as actor Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing his gun, court documents show.”



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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: October 25, 2021 04:19PM
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Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.

One doesn't need to bring guns to school to teach gun safety. Do we bring hookers to school for sex ed? Really?
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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: October 25, 2021 05:52PM
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One doesn't need to bring guns to school to teach gun safety. Do we bring hookers to school for sex ed? Really?

Another false equivalency.



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Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 25, 2021 06:15PM
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macphanatic
Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.

One doesn't need to bring guns to school to teach gun safety. Do we bring hookers to school for sex ed? Really?

No, but I like the way you think!



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 25, 2021 07:25PM
A sad picture seems to be forming around this incident.

Assistant Director David Halls was a tragedy waiting to happen.




Holy Moly!

It wouldn't take a Frank Galvin to make a case for negligence just in hiring Halls, let alone any other link in the chain of events.





Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

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Posted by: Paul F.
Date: October 26, 2021 11:40AM
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macphanatic
Unfortunately, teaching gun safety in schools has been taboo for years.

I learned gun safety in the Boy Scouts (in the 70s).

Why would schools be teaching gun safety?

Yeah. Brilliant idea: Bring more guns into schools.

One doesn't need to bring guns to school to teach gun safety. Do we bring hookers to school for sex ed? Really?

No, but I like the way you think!

The boys would certainly pay more attention in sex ed if they did!



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Re: Professional armorer gives her take on Baldwin tragedy
Posted by: fauch
Date: October 26, 2021 12:14PM
Why was live ammo anywhere near a movie set? Did someone bring a loaded gun from home and just forget to swap the ammo? Like this is really unfathomable. IDK if Baldwin himself is to blame here, but someone surely is and needs to pay the price for their negligence.
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