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15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Microman
Date: November 29, 2021 08:30AM
I know he games on the Xbox, and maybe that handheld one. But here is a list of parts that he put together.

LMK, if any ideas one might have, I am sure this is hard to do, unless I ask his father what his goal is for the computer, but I will do that shortly

EDIT: He thinks he is going to use it for gaming. So does that change a lot of things? But father thinks if he starts with this hardware, he could change things later, and or upgrade, but it is a father/son project currently with these items sorta solid, as their choice. Apparently the Sight checks for compatibility between all pieces, which is nice.





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2021 09:53AM by Microman.
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 29, 2021 08:42AM
It's a great goal and a good father/son experience. I would consider a better processor. The M1 Pro .. oh, wait... sorry;... i7 is pretty hot... and Cyber Monday sales are pretty good.

Control expectations...start slow and don't go all led strip and fluid cooling and whatnot. Those are fancy but also have more failure points.
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 29, 2021 08:59AM
It is still tough to find video cards at reasonable prices. It would help knowing the budget and if they want to go full on PC Master Race (240Hz/1440p or 120Hz/4K).

I get the impression Apple is still turning it's nose up at working with cutting edge game developers, but an Apple mini Pro 20 core M1 Max that does ray tracing could change my mind.



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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: November 29, 2021 09:36AM
I would spend the extra for an i5 or i7. I would also go for a name brand M.2 SSD. The rest looks good for a basic build.



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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 29, 2021 09:54AM
Like others -- go at least i5 (newegg has them for just $20 more than the i3) or at least check on the AMD Ryzen 5 processor. Also a name brand SSD



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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: mikebw
Date: November 29, 2021 10:18AM
i3 is weak sauce.

Also check that the case can accommodate a larger video card.
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: btfc
Date: November 29, 2021 10:33AM
“ i3 is weak sauce.

Also check that the case can accommodate a larger video card. “


Micro ATX limits how that box can be upgraded; I’d go ATX for ease of assembly, versatility, and upgradability.

Shouldn’t affect the bottom line much.

I agree with others re: the SSD and i3.
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: November 29, 2021 10:49AM
The SSD and the ram are not brand names I recognize. So I have doubts about reliability there. That’s the place I might upgrade.
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Forrest
Date: November 29, 2021 11:53AM
The Radeon HD7750 was introduced in 2012 - which is too old to play many AAA games made in the past 5 years. For perspective, Nvidia has recently dropped support for their 600/700 series graphics cards - these were introduced in 2012.

If I was building a gaming computer on a budget, I would buy one with an AMD 3rd generation Ryzen 5700g APU, which has an 8 core CPU AND an 8 core GPU, coupled with a motherboard that has BIOS Flashback BIOS Flashback allows the motherboard to update the BIOS without a processor, memory, or video card. This is useful when you need to update the BIOS to support 3rd gen Ryzen.

Most Micro ATX cases have room for a 3x wide video card which you can add for better gaming performance at a later time.

Lots of stuff on sale and in stock at Microcenter. Microcenter has updated many stores so you can buy everything and build it in the store!
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 29, 2021 12:17PM
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If I was building a gaming computer on a budget, I would buy one with an AMD 3rd generation Ryzen 5700g APU, which has an 8 core CPU AND an 8 core GPU, coupled with a motherboard that has BIOS Flashback BIOS Flashback allows the motherboard to update the BIOS without a processor, memory, or video card. This is useful when you need to update the BIOS to support 3rd gen Ryzen.

Good alternative suggestions to keep the cost down. Ryzen 5700g with some fast RAM will get a computer to nearly the performance of an older GPU. It does limit the computer to performance close to a PlayStation 5, but a fast GPU in the future would be a big performance upgrade.

Gamers Nexus review: AMD $360 Ryzen 7 5700G APU Review & Benchmarks vs. R5 5600G, R7 5800X, & More https: //youtu.be/V8MG66Es2Hw



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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: November 29, 2021 01:18PM
I agree with the advice for a Ryzen 5700G.
If he wants to upgrade the graphics later on when he can afford to, great.
That Radeon is money down the toilet.



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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: November 29, 2021 03:37PM
As others have said, that video card is beyond ancient. Do not buy it. I've been following video card prices for years now and it's horrible right now. I like the AMD APU option others have mentioned above but a second option is a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti for around $200.

This is a reasonably current GPU and not highway robbery. It can also play games OK (much better than the 7750 or the AMD APU) but you're still looking at 1080p medium to low settings on current AAA games and medium to high settings on AAA games from a few years ago. I use one with an i7-4790 and it works well with attention to the settings.

You will see this GPU at around $300 but if you are patient, this one:

[www.newegg.com]

ends up at $200 fairly frequently. I've seen it at that price 3x within the past month. It's also the 1050 Ti I use so I'm familiar with it.

BTW everything else looks great on your build, I'd be happy with it!



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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: Forrest
Date: November 29, 2021 04:33PM
The GTX 1050Ti is a decent 4 GB graphics card. Microcenter has them new for $280 in stock. More than twice the graphics performance of the AMD 5700g
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Re: 15 Year old Wants to Build a Computer, advice on this list of parts
Posted by: SKYLANE
Date: November 30, 2021 02:46PM
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Microman

EDIT: He thinks he is going to use it for gaming. So does that change a lot of things? But father thinks if he starts with this hardware, he could change things later, and or upgrade, but it is a father/son project currently with these items sorta solid, as their choice. Apparently the Sight checks for compatibility between all pieces, which is nice.

My thoughts are to get a good idea up front on what one wants a computer to do and make sure the build can do at least that when done. Having to upgrade a part immediately later because initial part could not do the job is kind of like wasted money on the initial part. Also, understand the upgradeability of the planned build. I could have saved money on buying older motherboard and CPU, but decided the extra money for 10th Gen CPU and compatible motherboard was worth the extra cost.


I built a PC flight simulator latter part of 2020, I saw one of the posts above recommend a bigger case than a microATX. If you do end up looking for a bigger case, I really liked the Phanteks that was in my build, see below for the model.

Let us know how the father/son build works out...






My PC Flight Simulator
(pic of my Phanteks case here, the P400A comes with the lighted fans installed: [forums.macresource.com] )


Best Buy
Logic Board: MSI - MPG Z490 Gaming Carbon WiFi, ATX, LGA 1200
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212, Black Edition
RAM: Corsair - 32GB (2x16GB) Vengeance Pro RGB, DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz
Power Supply: Corsair - RM850x (fully modular)

NewEgg
CPU: INTEL - 10th Gen i7-10700 2.9/4.8GHz LGA 1200
Case: Phanteks - Case P400A Digital (Love this case!)
Case Accessory: Phanteks - GPU Vertical Mount

OWC - I wanted our friends in the build too!
SSD: Aura - P12 M.2 NVMe 1TB 2280

eBay
GPU: MSI - GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming Z, 8 GB Factory Refurb
Monitors: Dell - 27" HD 1080P IPS P2719H (4 total, 3 in my simulator) Open Box, New Condition

CompUSA *
Rudder Pedals: Saitek - Pro Flight

Circuit City *
Yoke: Flight Sim - FSY211U

Software
Laminar Research - X-Plane 11.5
Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro
Microsoft - Flight Simulator 2020 (not yet decided to purchase)

* NOTE: Years ago, when CompUSA went out of business, I bought my USB Rudder Pedals from them on Clearance. When Circuit City went out of business, I bought my USB Yoke from them on Clearance. Those components have been boxed new for well over a decade, never had the time to explore a Flight Simulator until recently.



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