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A baseball question
Posted by: freeradical
Date: December 30, 2021 04:49PM
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Should Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens be voted into the Hall of Fame?
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32 votes were received.
Yes 9
 
28%
No 23
 
72%
Someting else 0
 
0%



Hall of fame for Bonds and Clemens?

I say yes. IMHO, they were simply the whipping boys for what everybody in baseball was doing at the time.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: hal
Date: December 30, 2021 05:01PM
They broke the rules and got caught - no HOF for you!

They actually enhanced their bodies - they cheated. Pete Rose's crime didn't even involve cheating and he's Mr. Nobody to MLB now. He holds one of the most iconic records in the game, but he's out. BOnds holds THE most iconic record in the game, but no one knows how many he would have had if had not cheated. imo, Hank Arron is still the lifetime leader for home runs in a career.

If you wanna allow some rule breaking players in, but not others - I say no. If you want to remove ALL barriers to entry, I'll listen... but I voted no.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: December 30, 2021 05:05PM
> They broke the rules and got caught - no HOF for you!

Yes Sir! I agree with you whole hardily! thumbs up



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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: RgrF
Date: December 30, 2021 05:17PM
What would admitting them say to all the HOFers who got there legitimately?
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: STL
Date: December 30, 2021 05:31PM
Same for Pete Rose, ARod, Mark McGuire, . . .
They broke the rules or cheated.
No HOF for them.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: December 30, 2021 05:37PM
I'd prefer to see Shoeless Joe enshrined in the HoF...



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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: srf1957
Date: December 30, 2021 05:47PM
Hell no ! This sums it up for me .

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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: RgrF
Date: December 30, 2021 05:55PM
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MrNoBody
I'd prefer to see Shoeless Joe enshrined in the HoF...



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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: December 30, 2021 05:59PM
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hal
They broke the rules and got caught - no HOF for you!

They actually enhanced their bodies - they cheated. Pete Rose's crime didn't even involve cheating and he's Mr. Nobody to MLB now. He holds one of the most iconic records in the game, but he's out. BOnds holds THE most iconic record in the game, but no one knows how many he would have had if had not cheated. imo, Hank Arron is still the lifetime leader for home runs in a career.

Pretty much covers my feelings on the matter.



It is what it is.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: Cary
Date: December 30, 2021 06:45PM
I am torn by this question.

Many in the Hall were not angels - how many cheated, but weren't caught?

There were "performance enhancements" that many used - uppers in the 1960s, for instance, used to be available in a bowl in the clubhouse, until they became illegal...
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: vision63
Date: December 30, 2021 07:07PM
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srf1957
Hell no ! This sums it up for me .

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That guy is a Bonds hater. It's a BS story and he's a BS reporter.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: vision63
Date: December 30, 2021 07:09PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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hal
They broke the rules and got caught - no HOF for you!

They actually enhanced their bodies - they cheated. Pete Rose's crime didn't even involve cheating and he's Mr. Nobody to MLB now. He holds one of the most iconic records in the game, but he's out. BOnds holds THE most iconic record in the game, but no one knows how many he would have had if had not cheated. imo, Hank Arron is still the lifetime leader for home runs in a career.

Pretty much covers my feelings on the matter.

Bonds "literally" broke no rules. But keep thinking that if it makes y'all feel better. People need to stop bringing this up because i'm gonna keep calling it out.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2021 07:11PM by vision63.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: OWC Jamie
Date: December 30, 2021 07:24PM
All I'll say is this.





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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: vision63
Date: December 30, 2021 07:26PM
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OWC Jamie
All I'll say is this.


In a 100% segregated league where some of the best talent was banned from participating.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: Buzz
Date: December 30, 2021 08:24PM
Beanstalk Barry did enough to get in long before he became Buff Barry....
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: vision63
Date: December 30, 2021 10:33PM
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Buzz
Beanstalk Barry did enough to get in long before he became Buff Barry....
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He deserves to be in it for the entirety of his career. So does Clemens. Neither was ever charged with using or possessing PEDs. We can't let baseball purists win.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: Rolando
Date: December 30, 2021 11:58PM
I vote yes. They played the game in the era they played.

And yes on Joe Jackson and Pete Rose.

Its a baseball HOF, not a nice person HOF.



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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 31, 2021 07:31AM
Kirby Puckett bulked up and made the HOF. It was a different era and not one baseball should honor.



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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 31, 2021 08:17AM
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vision63
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N-OS X-tasy!
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hal
They broke the rules and got caught - no HOF for you!

They actually enhanced their bodies - they cheated. Pete Rose's crime didn't even involve cheating and he's Mr. Nobody to MLB now. He holds one of the most iconic records in the game, but he's out. BOnds holds THE most iconic record in the game, but no one knows how many he would have had if had not cheated. imo, Hank Arron is still the lifetime leader for home runs in a career.

Pretty much covers my feelings on the matter.

Bonds "literally" broke no rules. But keep thinking that if it makes y'all feel better. People need to stop bringing this up because i'm gonna keep calling it out.

I don’t know what you are reading, but the effect of steroids on Bonds is used in medical school.

None of the PEDS-era users should get in.

And some should be reconsidered like Kirby. If he hasn’t literally died from steroid use complications, he’d all be in question.

So - no.

The HoF is to honor what we want in future players.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 31, 2021 08:19AM
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vision63
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Buzz
Beanstalk Barry did enough to get in long before he became Buff Barry....
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He deserves to be in it for the entirety of his career. So does Clemens. Neither was ever charged with using or possessing PEDs. We can't let baseball purists win.

The issue is their records are fake. It’s not a question whether they used PEDs but whether they were caught by testing. The latter was a failure of management.

But whether they were PEDs users is not in question.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 31, 2021 08:20AM
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Speedy
Kirby Puckett bulked up and made the HOF. It was a different era and not one baseball should honor.

Agreed. He and Ivan Rodriguez too.
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Re: A baseball question
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 31, 2021 08:22AM
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vision63
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OWC Jamie
All I'll say is this.


In a 100% segregated league where some of the best talent was banned from participating.

All true. But there are some amazing numbers about Ruth. Wash U measures baseball player response times. Ruth held the fastest response time until recently when Pujols broke it in his prime.

Ruth was a phenomenal athlete regardless of era.
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