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Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: SteveO
Date: January 18, 2022 03:07PM
This story blows my mind. Did no one think about the implications of 5g until now? How was this not caught earlier? Apparently 5g interferes with aircraft avionics instruments. Whoops. Somebody is gonna have something painful in a vise from this one.
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: GGD
Date: January 18, 2022 03:15PM
How many 5G cell phones do you think have flown on planes without being turned to Airplane Mode? Was any interference noticed?
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: January 18, 2022 03:23PM
So.. wait... they knew more than TEN YEARS AGO that that band was going to be used for cell phones, and they're waiting until NOW to complain about it, now that 5G is really to roll out?

Sounds like one industry wasn't doing it's do diligence.

That said - I'm OK holding it up until they get their instruments shielded or replaced.
It IS kind of important... even if they didn't bother to check until now.



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: January 18, 2022 03:28PM
FYI, the aerospace/airline industry has been warning about this for several years.
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: January 18, 2022 03:47PM
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Carnos Jax
FYI, the aerospace/airline industry has been warning about this for several years.

Oh, good... my opinion of them just went back up to normal levels... :-)



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 18, 2022 04:08PM
I hadn't heard that the earlier 5G rollouts in the EU and China caused any problems... do they use significantly different frequencies?



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 18, 2022 04:12PM
From what I read the issues were with older planes of which the US has plenty. The airlines are not asking for all 5G to be held back, just those in a five-mile circle around large airports. The issue is with certain landing avionics used in poor weather and night landings.



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: jonny
Date: January 18, 2022 04:23PM
'Cough'... 'Cough'... 'Boondoggle'... 'Cough'...
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 18, 2022 04:54PM
ATT and Verizon are delaying 5G rollouts near some airports.

Internation airlines including Emirates, Air India, All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines have announced suspension of service to some airports citing the issue.

Emirates said it would suspend flights into nine US airports: Boston, Chicago O'Hare, Dallas Fort Worth, George Bush Intercontinental in Houston, Miami, Newark, Orlando, San Francisco and Seattle. It said it would continue flying into New York's John F. Kennedy airport, the Los Angeles airport and Washington Dulles.

Air India said it would suspend service between Delhi Airport and San Francisco, Chicago and JFK. It will also suspend a Mumbai to Newark flight.

Both ANA and Japan Airlines said they canceled some flights to the US scheduled to use Boeing 777 aircraft, but will operate some flights using Boeing 787s instead.

The issue is not with passengers phones, it is with the broadcast towers which could throw off readings from some aircraft equipment designed to tell pilots how far they are from the ground.



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Fritz
Date: January 18, 2022 05:22PM
squirrel !!



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: January 18, 2022 06:04PM
isn't 5G kind of a farce anyway? designed to get you to pay more for service and new phones?

I recall Andy Ihnatko railing on about it last year.
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: testcase
Date: January 18, 2022 09:52PM
Announce that there will be a $100,000 fine PER DEATH that can be attributed to 5G interference. The carriers WILL “fix” the problem.
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: January 18, 2022 10:11PM
The issue needs to be proven first through testing (the FAA is good at this sort of thing). And if testing bears out the danger, then the wireless carriers need to pony up and fund the fix. They have far more money than the airlines or manufacturers, plus they’re the ones encroaching on the aviation frequencies.
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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: decay
Date: January 19, 2022 09:06AM
the airlines had 2 years to work on this, it wasn't a surprise to anyone



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: January 19, 2022 09:56AM
The president of Emirates Airlines says the issue is due to the US implementing 5G differently than the rest of the world. The antennas here are twice the strength as elsewhere and placed in a verticle position rather than tilted downward. Those two changes mean the signals are hitting descending planes much stronger than anywhere else. The Boeing 777 is particularly vulnerable to interference.

Emirates president Tim Clark said "We were aware of a 5G issue. Okay. We are aware that everybody is trying to get 5G rolled out after all it's the super cool future of whatever it may be communication and information flow. We were not aware that the power of the antennas in the United States have been doubled compared to what's going on elsewhere. We were not aware that the antenna themselves have been put into a vertical position rather than a slight slanting position, which then taken together compromise not only the radio altimeter systems but the flight control systems on the fly by wire aircraft. So on that basis we took that decision late last night to suspend all our services until we had clarity," he added, saying the airline wouldn't take any risks.



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Re: Airlines Ask for Immediate Halt to 5g Rollout Near Major Airports
Posted by: SteveO
Date: January 19, 2022 02:07PM
I agree that this issue falls squarely on the shoulders of the cell carriers and their hardware vendors. Still just blows me away, especially after years of warnings from aero/aviation industry.

"We'll do what we want" seems to be carriers' m.o.
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