Kinda leaves the story unfinished. Slipped in the shower, maybe?

[www.cnn.com]

"The authorities have determined that Bob passed from head trauma. They have concluded that he accidentally hit the back of his head on something, thought nothing of it and went to sleep," the statement said. "No drugs or alcohol were involved."



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life is fragile

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Like Liam Nelson’s wife….

HEATHER MCDONALD
COLLAPSES ON STAGE
... Suffers Skull Fracture

The new norm

"Eyewitnesses tell TMZ ... the former "Chelsea Lately" star was headlining the sold-out show, when she delivered her second joke ... "I'm vaxxed, double vaxxed, boosted ... and flu shot and shingle shot and haven't gotten COVID and Jesus loves me most."
As soon as she delivered the joke, she just collapsed and hit her head on the floor. Everyone thought at first it was all part of the act, but it was not. She was conscious, but clearly, all was not well. An EMT and a nurse happened to be in the audience ... they rushed up on stage to provide first aid.

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.. like me.... only my friend and coworker recognized that "I was being more of an ass than usual" and got me into an ambulance. And when I stopped breathing and my heart went into fibrillation, the EMT's saved me. If I had gone into the office like I wanted, I would have died right in a conference room, with no hope of first aid (AED's were not a thing back then).

Just the other day, I opened a cabinet door to put some things away. I bent down to pick up something off the floor to put in the cabinet. As I straightened up, I slammed the back of my head on the bottom of the open cabinet door. Hurt like f-in hell. Didn't think much of it. There's no way I would've considered going to the hospital, doctor, or urgent-care to get it checked out. Sht happens every minute, of every day to unfamous people as well.

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and Jesus loves me most."

The only conclusion you can draw from that is that Jesus does NOT love her most.

This story troubled me as I am alone a lot.

If i should fall and bump my head what signs should I look for to suspect that I shouldn't brush it off as Ouch! That hurt! Maybe I'll just lie down a sec.

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Ouch! That hurt! Maybe I'll just lie down a sec.


I wonder if feeling the need to lie down for a sec and/or nap might not be an indicator.

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All you can do, is all you can do.

There’s trouble — it's time to play the sound of my people.

Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what you cheer for.

Insisting on your rights without acknowledging your responsibilities isn’t freedom, it’s adolescence.

I've been to the edge of the map, and there be monsters.

We are a government of laws, not men.

Everybody counts or nobody counts.

When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

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An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.

The kind of injury he suffered scares me. My uncle hit his head while skiing. Didn't lose consciousness, slight headache. Went home, and collapsed and died that night. Always made me wonder if there was some underlying condition.

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Ouch! That hurt! Maybe I'll just lie down a sec.


I wonder if feeling the need to lie down for a sec and/or nap might not be an indicator.

well, i've had simple headaches that i took that course of action with.

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"Success isn't about how much money you make. It is about the difference you make in people's lives."--Michelle Obama

Head injuries are always a roll of the dice with regard to severity, especially injuries to the back of the head. This is the reason doctor stress that ANYBODY who suffers a head injury should seek immediate medical attention.

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Head injuries are always a roll of the dice with regard to severity, especially injuries to the back of the head. This is the reason doctor stress that ANYBODY who suffers a head injury should seek immediate medical attention.

This.

As for symptoms to look out for, check this out: [concussion.weillcornell.org]

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As for symptoms to look out for, check this out: [concussion.weillcornell.org]

THANK YOU!

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that was the sad story of Natasha Richardson too. [en.wikipedia.org]

hit her head skiing, refused any treatment at the time, came down with headaches later that night - died two days later.

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Just the other day, I opened a cabinet door to put some things away. I bent down to pick up something off the floor to put in the cabinet. As I straightened up, I slammed the back of my head on the bottom of the open cabinet door. Hurt like f-in hell. Didn't think much of it.

I think a whole lot about it when I do that.

Actually, my brain is instantly filled with a murderous rage; who did this incredibly painful thing to me!?!

And then, after a couple of seconds, I guess I ask myself - who do you think did it, ya dumb cluck?

One important point. When you've been smacked in the head, you're judgement may be impaired. Others may have to recognize and do what's needed. Perhaps "over learning" and a simple set of instructions/decision aids might help, but it probably depends. If you have the wherewithal perhaps calling someone to have them check on you periodically is a good idea.

Plus, focus on prevention, such as non-slip in the bath tub/shower, no loose rugs, stay off ladders, etc.

Health professionals are somewhat likely not to take head injuries seriously, so you have to be assertive and not listen to the shaming for making too big a deal of it. I worked with people who had brain injuries, and it is a really, really hard thing to assess. I've seen people who shaved the whole top of their skull off (four wheeler meets top loader) that went back to their previous job, and people who fell 10ft. off a mobile home and were permanent nursing home residents. You just don't know.

Be mindful, but don't freak out. I'm convinced people who are ultra paranoid are likely to be hurt.



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Yeah, do they honestly expect ANYONE to believe that he just "bumped his head, went to bed and didn't get up in the morning"? There is far more to this story than they are admitting.

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Yeah, do they honestly expect ANYONE to believe that he just "bumped his head, went to bed and didn't get up in the morning"? There is far more to this story than they are admitting.

Well, one thing I just heard on the news is that he also apparently tested COVID positive:

[www.nbcnews.com]
[people.com]
[www.wesh.com]

The claim was that the COVID status was unrelated to the cause of death, but... it could have contributed directly or indirectly, since coronavirus does affect the brain and blood vessels, etc.*** In the second link I posted above, they also mention that he did have some predisposing conditions and was on medication, either or both of which could have also contributed (again, directly or indirectly) to the cause of death.

It's entirely possible that he DID hit his head, felt lousy, went to sleep... and then didn't wake up. These things can happen, again especially if someone has a predisposing condition or is taking a medication which could affect the outcome.

Edit: from the description of what happened, the obvious thing to think about would have been either foul play or drug overdose, both of which were ruled out by the autopsy ... his blood tests were apparently completely clean, other than the meds he was already taking, see my third link above.

***Edit 2: the third link makes the point that it's possible to test positive for up to three months after an infection, so I'm wondering if he had some long COVID symptoms or some delayed effect of the infection which contributed. 1 out 3 people who get COVID will end up with some sort of persistent neurological problem: [www.cnbc.com]

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Yeah, do they honestly expect ANYONE to believe that he just "bumped his head, went to bed and didn't get up in the morning"? There is far more to this story than they are admitting.

That is absolutely a plausible scenario.

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A very dear friend and co-worker died from head trauma. She was my cubicle-mate for over 10 years. She was an avid miniaturist, and was at a convention. She was sharing a room with another woman, who had left the room without her key. The other woman knocked on the door when she came back, and heard a thud. She knew Pat was in the room, and eventually got the hotel to open the door. They found Pat unconscious on the floor. Apparently she tripped when she got up to answer the door and hit her head on the AC unit in the room. She passed away a week later. It was a real shame... she was still working at the age of 70, and was just about to retire and move closer to her daughter.

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Yeah, do they honestly expect ANYONE to believe that he just "bumped his head, went to bed and didn't get up in the morning"? There is far more to this story than they are admitting.

You hit the nail on the head it would seem, since I just read, he had "multiple skull fractures". So, he didn't do that bumping into a cupboard. It makes me think he fell down the stairs. But no wonder he didn't think to tell anyone about it. It's like telling someone your vocal cords are ripped out.

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Yeah, do they honestly expect ANYONE to believe that he just "bumped his head, went to bed and didn't get up in the morning"? There is far more to this story than they are admitting.

You hit the nail on the head it would seem, since I just read, he had "multiple skull fractures". So, he didn't do that bumping into a cupboard. It makes me think he fell down the stairs. But no wonder he didn't think to tell anyone about it. It's like telling someone your vocal cords are ripped out.

The multiple skull fractures still don't exclude the scenario of him having hit his head on something, going to sleep, and then just not waking up.

[www.nytimes.com]
From the article: "“It is most probable that the decedent suffered an unwitnessed fall backwards and struck the posterior aspect of his head,” Dr. Stephany wrote, referring to the back of the skull."

... from the description, I could guess he might have slipped and fallen in the bathroom, hitting the back of his head... then in a confused/dazed state, going to lie down and not waking up.

Remember, no evidence of drugs in his system, other than the ones he was taking as a prescription, and no evidence of foul play at the scene. (Also, in a case of foul play, one might expect there to be blood everywhere, if for example, someone had taken a baseball bat to the back of his head... you'd also expect wood splinters, etc.)

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You can't argue he didn't hit his head, lay down in bed and die, since that's literally what he did, but it's the circumstances. Skull fractures happen in the shower, but "multiple fractures" sounds more like something you would associate with a motorcycle crash (not saying that's likely). He hit pretty fricken' hard though. I don't know why, but you can't help but be curious what happened. Probably something mundane, but being Saget, I almost wonder if he wasn't doing something really goofy, like jumping on the bed