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Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 10, 2022 10:15PM
Pretty impressive. I can’t wait to see what the new Mac Pro can do.

The Mac Studio equipped with the new 20 core M1 Ultra SoC was benchmarked against the Mac Pro with 28 core Intel Xeon W chip. 20% faster than the Mac Pro on multi-core performance. On single core performances the M1 Ultra is 56% faster than the 28 core Mac Pro.

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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: Robert M
Date: March 11, 2022 09:22AM
Joe,

Something that bugged me tremendously about the keynote was that they compared the Mac Studio to the Intel 27" iMac and the current Mac Pro. I would like to see how the Mac Studio compared to current M1 based machines. I already know the Mac Studio is going to be a vast improvement over Intel machines. I want to know how it compares to Apple's other M1 based offerings, too. 'course, it might not be nearly as much of an improvement, which would make for a less striking announcement.

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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 11, 2022 09:58AM
Robert, I didn’t get to watch it but you make a good point and I’ve already seen a few audio professionals asking the same question. I think Pro Tools Expert will be comparing them.



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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: clay
Date: March 11, 2022 10:00AM
likely can start by using the MBP 14/16 machines as rough guides of performance, at least in the cases where you can roughly approximate the same number of CPU/GPU cores available between the models. I'm sure we'll have real-world benchmarks of the Studio within about a week when they become available (and maybe a few days before from tech journalists that get early release models to review).
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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 11, 2022 11:14AM
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Robert M
I would like to see how the Mac Studio compared to current M1 based machines.

Because potential M1 buyers are not the target market for the Studio.

Its aimed squarely at current 27" iMac/iMac Pro users wanting to upgrade and potential MPro buyers that couldn't afford a MPro.

Clay is correct, just look at a 16" MBP M1M and the numbers should be the same, give or take a few percent.





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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: March 11, 2022 12:25PM
$3999 20-core M1 Ultra handily beats $12999 Mac Pro.

The Ultra is really the Mac Pro we've been asking for since 2012. Pricing is in line with the old Mac Pros.



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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 11, 2022 12:33PM
The $1999 model goes back to the first G5 tower -- $1999. single 1.6, 256 MB ram, 80 GB drive, 64 MB vram... and that's it.

G4 towers started at $1599. First MPs were $2500.





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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: AllGold
Date: March 11, 2022 01:10PM
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jdc
The $1999 model goes back to the first G5 tower -- $1999. single 1.6, 256 MB ram, 80 GB drive, 64 MB vram... and that's it.

G4 towers started at $1599. First MPs were $2500.

I thought the original 2.66GHz 2006 Mac Pro was $1999 at some point--perhaps not at introduction but later? (I'm not looking it up because I don't care that much. wink smiley)
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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: March 11, 2022 01:26PM
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jdc
The $1999 model goes back to the first G5 tower -- $1999. single 1.6, 256 MB ram, 80 GB drive, 64 MB vram... and that's it.

G4 towers started at $1599. First MPs were $2500.

Think of the Studio as replacing a 2013 Mac Pro.

Per MacTracker, starting prices were $2,999 (Quad-Core) $3,999 (6-Core).



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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: JoeM
Date: March 11, 2022 04:32PM
Powerful machine, no doubt. What puts me off a bit is that memory and storage is not user upgradeable and you’re stuck with either 64GB or 128GB RAM( +$800.) at the time of ordering. I imagine there will be work around in time but bumping up to 128GB RAM and a 2TB SSD on the Ultra brings the price up to $5,199.



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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 11, 2022 05:11PM
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JoeM
Powerful machine, no doubt. What puts me off a bit is that memory and storage is not user upgradeable and you’re stuck with either 64GB or 128GB RAM( +$800.) at the time of ordering. I imagine there will be work around in time but bumping up to 128GB RAM and a 2TB SSD on the Ultra brings the price up to $5,199.

If you apply the "M1 ram = acts like 2X as much" then you could say its 256 GB of ram...

Storage is a non issue for me. 1-2 TB, whevert is enough for your internal stuff. External 4TB NVMe is $550 DIY (I built one). Get 8 TB for $1000 ish. Get over 3000/MB/s RWs.





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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: March 11, 2022 07:14PM
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jdc
If you apply the "M1 ram = acts like 2X as much" then you could say its 256 GB of ram...

Shared VRAM.

The math doesn't work out so nicely when you're doing design/video.



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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 11, 2022 09:43PM
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Tiangou
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jdc
If you apply the "M1 ram = acts like 2X as much" then you could say its 256 GB of ram...

Shared VRAM.

The math doesn't work out so nicely when you're doing design/video.

Yeah, so many unknowns. And so many extra little processors... prores, neural engine, T2, etc. How they all handle things like video and whatever else processor intensive will have to be seen.

We already know how the M1M performs, just wonder how much more the M1U will allow it to expand.





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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: mikebw
Date: March 12, 2022 12:12PM
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Tiangou
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jdc
If you apply the "M1 ram = acts like 2X as much" then you could say its 256 GB of ram...

Shared VRAM.

The math doesn't work out so nicely when you're doing design/video.

Yeah I am coming to this realization with my M1 Max w/32GB memory. Kinda wishing I had the 64GB. Not sure if it's just the fact that the 32 is shared cpu/gpu memory, or if it's a Monterey thing, (or maybe even a non-M1 native software thing?), but I have been noticing hiccups here and there while using it for work.

Things like the playhead in Audition not tracking smoothly as audio plays, audio playback not starting immediately in iZotope RX, not to mention an occasional 3+ second delay in video playback from a timeline in Premiere. Stuff that the 2015 MBP seemed to handle better with just 16GB RAM. But, overall render times are shorter so I am generally pleased with the M1 Max but as I said some things just seem slower or worse than I expected.
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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: mikebw
Date: March 12, 2022 12:15PM
Also, I am thinking anyone with an M1 PRO won't be feeling very PRO once the actual M1 MacPro is announced.
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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: rich in distress
Date: March 12, 2022 01:18PM
… a non-M1 native software thing?

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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 12, 2022 11:43PM
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mikebw
Also, I am thinking anyone with an M1 PRO won't be feeling very PRO once the actual M1 MacPro is announced.

You mean Studio, correct? Not "M1 Pro"





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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: Rolando
Date: March 13, 2022 11:49AM
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Also, I am thinking anyone with an M1 PRO won't be feeling very PRO once the actual M1 MacPro is announced.

You mean Studio, correct? Not "M1 Pro"

The video alluded to another, more Pro Mac, coming soon.



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Re: Mac Studio Early Benchmarks Compared To 2019 Mac Pro
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 13, 2022 01:30PM
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Also, I am thinking anyone with an M1 PRO won't be feeling very PRO once the actual M1 MacPro is announced.

You mean Studio, correct? Not "M1 Pro"

The video alluded to another, more Pro Mac, coming soon.

A more pro Mac Pro, bro!



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