I knew too much water could mess with your electrolytes and way too much was dangerous, but I never imagined this. He was alone and drank too much water. I didn’t ask him how much or why. It’s not hot yet. Anyway, he had seizures for an hour and a half. Luckily his brother came by and found him. Two guys couldn’t handle him. He had chewed his tongue up. He got to the ER and ended up in the hospital for 19 days.



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The crazy bother of a friend of mine had voices suddenly telling him to drink water constantly - he nearly died from that episode.

A woman died many years ago drinking too much water in an attempt to win a radio station contest. Family sued the station and IIRC won the lawsuit.

Rabies?

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Rabies?

If it was, his seizures wouldn't have stopped until he died...
The number of people in human history who have NOT died from rabies is so small as to be insignificant...
Except for the one that recovered 100 yards from where I'm sitting... She made national news. It was a big deal.

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Hyponatremia

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Hyponatremia

I thought it was hypernatremia? To much is hyper, not enough is hypo? Unless I'm confused about what there's too much of or too little of, of course...

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Rabies is called “hydrophobia” so wouldn’t an infected person avoid water?

“ Unless I'm confused about what there's too much of or too little of, of course... “

Sodium.

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Hyponatremia

I thought it was hypernatremia? To much is hyper, not enough is hypo? Unless I'm confused about what there's too much of or too little of, of course...

I flunked chemistry but hoponatremia would be low sodium wouldn’t it? You would have too much water relative to sodium. I guess that’s why we took salt tablets in football.

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The number of people in human history who have NOT died from rabies is so small as to be insignificant...
Except for the one that recovered 100 yards from where I'm sitting... She made national news. It was a big deal.

I just googled that. WebMD says there's a 99.9% mortality rate in humans if not treated before symptoms appear. Then they (very usefully!) tell us the symptoms. I had no idea that it, "...has the highest mortality rate ...of any disease on earth..."

Wow...

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The number of people in human history who have NOT died from rabies is so small as to be insignificant...
Except for the one that recovered 100 yards from where I'm sitting... She made national news. It was a big deal.

I just googled that. WebMD says there's a 99.9% mortality rate in humans if not treated before symptoms appear. Then they (very usefully!) tell us the symptoms. I had no idea that it, "...has the highest mortality rate ...of any disease on earth..."

Wow...

I didn't know squat about Rabies until the third person known in all of human history survived it here locally. Then I found a podcast episode that detailed the first person known at that time to have survived it.
It's more than 99.9% fatal. It's more than 99.99% fatal. It's more like 99.999999% fatal.

I can highly recommend the Radio Labs episode, "Rodney vs. Death" - [www.wnycstudios.org]

Darn interesting story! And, yeah, don't ever take a bat or other critter bite lightly! The shots aren't as painful as they were "way back when"... but, dying screaming, convulsing, and foaming at the mouth, not knowing where you are, thrashing around in pain? I'd shoot that post-exposure treatment in my eyeball to avoid that.

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Water Intoxication can cause death because it causes an imbalanced of electrolytes and it can mess with the brain.


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A woman who competed in a radio station’s contest to see how much water she could drink without going to the bathroom died of water intoxication, the coroner’s office said Saturday.

Jennifer Strange, 28, was found dead Friday in her suburban Rancho Cordova home hours after taking part in the “Hold Your Wee for a Wii” contest in which KDND 107.9 promised a Nintendo Wii video game system for the winner.

“She said to one of our supervisors that she was on her way home and her head was hurting her real bad,” said Laura Rios, one of Strange’s co-workers at Radiological Associates of Sacramento. “She was crying and that was the last that anyone had heard from her.”

It was not immediately know how much water Strange consumed.

A preliminary investigation found evidence “consistent with a water intoxication death,” said assistant Coroner Ed Smith.

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I have to wonder if this person was following some "miracle diet". I expect he had problems with his kidneys and / or bladder for this to occur. Normally, a person who drinks massive amounts of water simply eliminates excess water through urination. The American diet tends to be VERY high in added salts so, it takes some doing to affect one's electrolyte balance.

A woman died many years ago drinking too much water in an attempt to win a radio station contest. Family sued the station and IIRC won the lawsuit.


I remember hearing about that when it happened.

She was trying to win a game console for her son.

Almost nobody new water poisoning was a thing, and a lot of people made stupid comments about her being greedy and that basically she got what was coming to her.

A/Hs.

A listener who was a nurse (RN?) called in to say what they were doing was dangerous, and one of the radio employees said something to the effect 'It's ok, they signed waivers'.

A/H.

Nobody else listening seemed to know enough about water poisoning to put a stop to the contest.

The woman when home, and later died.

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I hope your friend recovers, but I have to wonder about the extend of possible permanent damage.

Recently, I came across an article about staying hydrated for one specific reason or another, I don't recall exactly.

But to its credit (or the author's) there was a mention in passing, of symptoms of drinking too much water and 'diluting the salt content' on one's body.

Not a thorough explanation by any means, but I was surprised to see it addressed at all.

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At the onset of this condition, fluid outside the cells has an excessively low amount of solutes, such as sodium and other electrolytes, in comparison to fluid inside the cells, causing the fluid to move into the cells to balance its osmotic concentration. This causes the cells to swell. The swelling increases intracranial pressure in the brain, which leads to the first observable symptoms of water intoxication: headache, personality changes, changes in behavior, confusion, irritability, and drowsiness. These are sometimes followed by difficulty breathing during exertion, muscle weakness & pain, twitching, or cramping, nausea, vomiting, thirst, and a dulled ability to perceive and interpret sensory information. As the condition persists, papillary and vital signs may result including bradycardia and widened pulse pressure. The cells in the brain may swell to the point where blood flow is interrupted resulting in cerebral edema. Swollen brain cells may also apply pressure to the brain stem causing central nervous system dysfunction. Both cerebral edema and interference with the central nervous system are dangerous and could result in seizures, brain damage, coma or death.[13]

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I have to wonder if this person was following some "miracle diet".


I'd certainly expect some specific motivation to drink the required level of water over a short time, as seemed to be the case of the few references I've seen.

Without that, I just can't imagine someone sitting around and drinking that much water.

I'd expect someone would just get bored or 'full' and back away.

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Water intoxication and Hyperthermia have several of the same symptoms. The big difference seems to be Water intoxication has slower heart beat and Hyperthermia has faster heart beat.

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Darn interesting story! And, yeah, don't ever take a bat or other critter bite lightly! The shots aren't as painful as they were "way back when"... but, dying screaming, convulsing, and foaming at the mouth, not knowing where you are, thrashing around in pain? I'd shoot that post-exposure treatment in my eyeball to avoid that.

Thank you. That Radio Lab segment was so illuminating it riveted my attention deficit riddled grandson to his chair, after listening he actually wanted to know more.

Back when my ex-wife did triathlons, I had to make sure her hydration was balanced. Same with double century bike rides. Interestingly, Gatorade has the completely wrong balance of electrolytes for long term use. A qt while exercising, or mowing on a really hot day is one thing, but well over a gallon in a day is way off. I got the powder, and made it @ 1/3 strength. and filled her hydration bladder with it, and had a frozen dixie cup ice cube of it as some cooling to it as well. A couple gallons of that was OK for her.

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I was at a restaurant and kept sipping water because the service was taking so long. The more I drank, the more woozy and disoriented I got. That’s when I theorized that increasing your water without increasing your electrolytes made the ratio too light on electrolytes and might be bad for you. But being uneducated in that stuff, that was as far as I got. I’ll ask my friend in the next few days how much water he drank and why so much.

As stated above, too much water without added electrolytes cause problems beyond the need to pee. Too pure water and you will have it rushing into the cells by osmosis, causing swelling and the other noted symptoms. Too much electrolyte will cause water loss (again osmosis) from the cells. Think of it as the water will go from an area of high concentration (of water) to an area of low.

Hyper- is high, and hypo- is low. The thing about salt (sodium chloride,* amongst others) is that it is quite water soluble, and will be carried along by the water. Too much water will dilute it, not enough water leads to higher levels in the body. Sodium ion is needed for muscle and nerve transmission (along with potassium, calcium, and others). Too much water disrupts the balance of these electrolytes. Too little also disrupts.

Gatorade is fine, as long as you recognize that it’s higher in sugar than most realize, and the balance of electrolytes (as Racer X stated above) are off. Most wouldn’t drink it if it was closer to what is needed, as the taste gets worse as you dilute it.

*Sodium chloride is one of a myriads of salts. Table salt is sodium chloride (NaCl). Potassium chloride is also a salt, as is any ionic compound composed of a metal and a nonmetal. I’m referring to the chemical sense of a metal, from the periodic table, and not necessarily iron, copper, etc that most might associate. Yeah, I’m that way. A chemist.

Read a story that advises runners to drink non-alcoholic beer instead of Gatorade. Better electrolyte content and much cheaper!

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As stated above, too much water without added electrolytes cause problems beyond the need to pee. Too pure water and you will have it rushing into the cells by osmosis, causing swelling and the other noted symptoms. Too much electrolyte will cause water loss (again osmosis) from the cells. Think of it as the water will go from an area of high concentration (of water) to an area of low.

Hyper- is high, and hypo- is low. The thing about salt (sodium chloride,* amongst others) is that it is quite water soluble, and will be carried along by the water. Too much water will dilute it, not enough water leads to higher levels in the body. Sodium ion is needed for muscle and nerve transmission (along with potassium, calcium, and others). Too much water disrupts the balance of these electrolytes. Too little also disrupts.

Gatorade is fine, as long as you recognize that it’s higher in sugar than most realize, and the balance of electrolytes (as Racer X stated above) are off. Most wouldn’t drink it if it was closer to what is needed, as the taste gets worse as you dilute it.

*Sodium chloride is one of a myriads of salts. Table salt is sodium chloride (NaCl). Potassium chloride is also a salt, as is any ionic compound composed of a metal and a nonmetal. I’m referring to the chemical sense of a metal, from the periodic table, and not necessarily iron, copper, etc that most might associate. Yeah, I’m that way. A chemist.

I do some chemistry in my job, and I just love it anyway. But I’m on a high salt diet and so I drink a homemade electrolyte solution, totaling 4 liters of water a day. There is added sodium, potassium, and magnesium, but no sugar. I crave salt, so it tastes fine to me. It amazes people that some people actually need extra salt. Yes, my BP is low.

Just for electrolytes, dilute Pedialyte Sport is better than dilute Gatorade for most people (some people have a problem with potassium balance). I wish they had it in bulk powder form so there wasn't so much plastic waste. There are other similar balance products but they are a lot more expensive per gram of electrolytes.

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Thank you. That Radio Lab segment was so illuminating it riveted my attention deficit riddled grandson to his chair, after listening he actually wanted to know more.

You're very welcome. I've listened to that one several times over the years. Never thought I'd find rabies so interesting.
I recommend against watching videos of people dying of rabies, though. It's pretty grim.

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That person screaming in the Radio Lab link was pretty bad. Also, have you seen videos of rabid foxes? I had to kill a raccoon going through the same thing.

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That is very interesting. I should look into that for long days at brutally hot outdoor shooting ranges. Assuming it is 100% alcohol free.

Dilute Gatorade works, but the taste is really weird. I'd rather ice cold NA beer.

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