I haven't owned a truck in 30 years, but this thing makes me consider it.

[www.ford.com]

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Nope. I'd prefer a Rivian over a Ford, but I'm waiting on a Cybertruck. Last time I looked into the Lightening, the advertised $40k model was only for commercial purchase (contractors/fleet sales). By the time you got the range to the practical zone the price was about on par with a Rivian, which is a much nicer truck in my opinion.

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I would buy it today if I could...they are pretty far out on orders.

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Yes, looks to be a great vehicle.. Like you, I don't need a pickup all that much, but could use to tow things. I'd prefer a wagon, but they haven't made those in... I don't know when.

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I haven't owned a truck in 30 years, but this thing makes me consider it.

[www.ford.com]

“Due to high demand, the current model year is no longer available for retail order. Contact your dealer for more information.”

It’s mid-May and they are sold out for the model year. Good luck. Fortunately, plenty of truck buyers still want to roll coal.

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I have a Rivian reservation (R1S SUV).

I like the Lightning, but not a PU fan, and it's too big for my needs.

I hear Ford stealerships are charging a "premium" ($10k is an amount I've heard).

I will be more likely to end up with the Chevy Mullet Special.

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I’ve seen the average sold price quoted around 60-70k.

All of the “demo” vehicles the testers are use have every box checked and are 90k, natch.

I might look at one in the 50k range, which is prob 10k more I might consider for a gas car — counting the cost of gas as part of my monthly payment. We don’t drive much. But for someone who might go thru a tank a week…? $400 month?

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I like the Lightning, but not a PU fan, and it's too big for my needs.

I expect an Electric Maverick Pickup to be announced soon. The current Mach-E is basically an electric Escape, and the Maverick is based on Bronco Sport, which is a Modified Escape.

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I was drooling over the Lightning - the other half got to see one in person at the NY Auto Show.

BUT the Rivian is at the top of the list now. We got to crawl all over one while a neighbor was getting delivery of his. Couldn't test drive it tho. And the neighbor is very, very happy with his.

The SO didn't like the Lightning as much as the Rivian. But he isn't the market the Lightning is being sold to. He also wants a Cybertruck that no matter what design it ends up being will be FUGLY in my eyes.

And I'm crossing my fingers that the pricing will settle down a bit once production and supply chain issues are resolved. I'm talking at you Ford, tacking 10K on at the end is greedy.

We're looking for something to pull a small camper in retirement.



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I hear Ford stealerships are charging a "premium" ($10k is an amount I've heard).

$50k is the number I heard.

[www.carscoops.com]

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Another day and another dealer is marking up a product to the moon. This time it’s the new Ford F-150 Lightning Platinum which should start at about $91,000. Instead, a dealer has decided to try and get some wealthy buyer to plop down $145,309. That dealer isn’t alone either.

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There will be numerous EV pickups coming in the next few years. Availability will go up, price should come down (or at least the dealer premium will go away)

Expected are:
Ford Ranger (Maverick?)
Chevy Silverado
GMC Sierra
Toyota Tacoma
Canoo Pickup (which looks interesting)
Lordstown Endurance
Hercules Alpha/Nissan Titan
Dodge (Ram or Dakota, not sure)
Volkswagon Tarok

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I like the Rivian but since there's no reliability data on them, I'd have to let others guinea pig them first. I do like the Lightning too. I also think it's what the people want.

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There will be numerous EV pickups coming in the next few years. Availability will go up, price should come down (or at least the dealer premium will go away)

Expected are:
Ford Ranger (Maverick?)
Chevy Silverado
GMC Sierra
Toyota Tacoma
Canoo Pickup (which looks interesting)
Lordstown Endurance
Hercules Alpha/Nissan Titan
Dodge (Ram or Dakota, not sure)
Volkswagon Tarok

I'd be willing to bet that only half of those actually make it into production and distribution (and this class of Chevy and GMC have been essentially the same vehicles for years).

Perhaps, but I would still need to keep another truck around for longer trips with the travel trailer. Would work well for daily driving and the shorter trips though.

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Has anyone been quoted what it will cost to upgrade your home’s electrical service to accommodate the AC Level 2 (240V/30-70A)? I’d bet it’s many thousands on a 50+ year old house.

Heavy up service (new panel and service line to the pole) would typically run 1500-3000 and up.

Prior owner had that done to this 1960 home so I had plenty of space and amps for our car charger. We had a 60A breaker and 6ga wire installed in case we want to add or upgrade to a different charger in the future. As it stands the Leaf Plus can only draw ~30A. (6.6kW).

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I like the Rivian but since there's no reliability data on them, I'd have to let others guinea pig them first. I do like the Lightning too. I also think it's what the people want.

There's more data on the Rivian than the F-150 EV. Just saying.

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Perhaps, but I would still need to keep another truck around for longer trips with the travel trailer. Would work well for daily driving and the shorter trips though.

Longer trips just means more pie breaks!

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I like the Rivian but since there's no reliability data on them, I'd have to let others guinea pig them first. I do like the Lightning too. I also think it's what the people want.

There's more data on the Rivian than the F-150 EV. Just saying.

Yep. The reliability part deals mainly with the power-train.

I think electric motors in general are going to be more reliable than any ICE. The battery will be the weak point, but I don't think Ford has any edge over Rivian in that department.


Also, Ford is an investor in Rivian.

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Has anyone been quoted what it will cost to upgrade your home’s electrical service to accommodate the AC Level 2 (240V/30-70A)? I’d bet it’s many thousands on a 50+ year old house.

Heavy up service (new panel and service line to the pole) would typically run 1500-3000 and up.

Prior owner had that done to this 1960 home so I had plenty of space and amps for our car charger. We had a 60A breaker and 6ga wire installed in case we want to add or upgrade to a different charger in the future. As it stands the Leaf Plus can only draw ~30A. (6.6kW).

Recharge on a 20 Amp circuit every time you park. Mostly you will be topping off because you won’t often drive 300 miles. For that reason, I would be in no hurry to upgrade.

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I am waiting until 2025, when I expect my Cybertruck should finally ship (5 years late).

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I've had a pick up in the past and was underwhelmed by its' performance and usefulness. I find minivans offer FAR more utility than a pick up truck does. I've tried looking at the new Toyota Sienna models (now hybrid with fuel economy in the mid 30s) but, there are VERY few around. My 2018 Prius Touring Four is just over four years old with only 32,000 miles under its' belt so, I can keep driving that for many years to come.

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Perhaps, but I would still need to keep another truck around for longer trips with the travel trailer. Would work well for daily driving and the shorter trips though.

Longer trips just means more pie breaks!

True! However, at some point you do have to get to your destination. Also, must charging stations are NOT friendly to having a 30' trailer behind you when you pull up. The TESLA chargers are the worst, they are always up against a corner in a parking lot. You would have to block them all to charge.

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Anyone else eyeing the new Ford electric F150?

Not my kind of vehicle but the F150 Lightning looks good. Hagerty has a nice review:

[www.hagerty.com]

Yes. As soon as it was announced I said while I'm not a truck guy, I really want one. Just daydreaming, though, because I'm not actually in the market.

I like the Rivian but since there's no reliability data on them, I'd have to let others guinea pig them first. I do like the Lightning too. I also think it's what the people want.


This is exactly why I'd get a Lightning over a Rivian.

I like the Rivian from the outside, haven't seen the interior online or in person.

But the Lightning has a ton of features I like, and it's tempting.

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I find a SUV better for my needs, an electric Ford Explorer or Expedition would be more my cup of tea. (Better a Japanese vehicle, however, more reliable).

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Yes.

We have a 1989 Dodge pickup serving our farm needs (at around 11 mpg). We use a small Kia sedan for most trips into town both for its gas mileage and 4-person seating.

The F-150 Lighning would do better than both of those vehicles in almost all categories.

I'll be driving into town to get another 1,000 lbs of livestock feed today. The old Dodge will struggle again to make it up the mountain back to the farm.

The entry-level F-150 is a good candidate for us when they become more easily available.



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One thing I find conspicuously absent in all of the reviewers explorations of the new F-150 is the use of the bed to carry a dumped load such as gravel, sand, compost, mulch, dirt, etc.

The delicate electrical power panel in the wall of the bed doesn't look like it would fair well when the load of powdered limestone tries to get into its nooks and crannies. Then getting the load out shovelful by shovelful... that just seems like it is begging to be destroyed.

Perhaps all truck owners in recent years have abandoned using the bed for anything dirty. Maybe all new truck beds are engineered to only carry tidy bagged or boxed loads.

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I suppose I would need to be careful tossing in split firewood or heavy rounds that need to be split later. Maybe there's an aftermarket "protect-the-delicate-bits" cover or I'd need to fashion one myself.



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Ombligo
There will be numerous EV pickups coming in the next few years. Availability will go up, price should come down (or at least the dealer premium will go away)

Expected are:
Ford Ranger (Maverick?)
Chevy Silverado
GMC Sierra
Toyota Tacoma
Canoo Pickup (which looks interesting)
Lordstown Endurance
Hercules Alpha/Nissan Titan
Dodge (Ram or Dakota, not sure)
Volkswagon Tarok

Ford Ranger (Maverick?) not likely to be released as an EV anytime soon, Ford have too few batteries available to meet demand.
Chevy Silverado: In very small quantities for the next 3-5 years. GM doesn't have sufficient battery supply to meet demand.
GMC Sierra: same issue as the Silverado
Toyota Tacoma: Toyota only recently released an actual EV and it charges slower than my 2013 Volt, so it's not looking good for Toyota.
Canoo Pickup (which looks interesting): In the Q1 earnings report they declared that they only have sufficient resources for the next 2-3 months. Not looking good for them.
Lordstown Endurance: Just closed on the sale of their factory to Foxconn and contracted Foxconn to build the Endurance for them. They'll need about $150million in additional funding to get to production. Not looking good for them. Foxconn also plans to build the Fisker Pear there.
Hercules Alpha/Nissan Titan: I believe that this is already in production outside the US so it might actually happen
Dodge (Ram or Dakota, not sure): Nothing more than a line drawing hinting at the profile has been revealed. Dodge hasn't made any EVs in any significant quantity ever.
Volkswagon Tarok: VW just announced that they're reviving the International Scout as their EV brand in the US. The press release included an image of the truck that looks suspiciously similar to the R1T from Rivian. Like REALLY similar.

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There will be numerous EV pickups coming in the next few years. Availability will go up, price should come down (or at least the dealer premium will go away)

Expected are:
Ford Ranger (Maverick?)
Chevy Silverado
GMC Sierra
Toyota Tacoma
Canoo Pickup (which looks interesting)
Lordstown Endurance
Hercules Alpha/Nissan Titan
Dodge (Ram or Dakota, not sure)
Volkswagon Tarok

Ford Ranger (Maverick?) not likely to be released as an EV anytime soon, Ford have too few batteries available to meet demand.
Chevy Silverado: In very small quantities for the next 3-5 years. GM doesn't have sufficient battery supply to meet demand.
GMC Sierra: same issue as the Silverado
Toyota Tacoma: Toyota only recently released an actual EV and it charges slower than my 2013 Volt, so it's not looking good for Toyota.
Canoo Pickup (which looks interesting): In the Q1 earnings report they declared that they only have sufficient resources for the next 2-3 months. Not looking good for them.
Lordstown Endurance: Just closed on the sale of their factory to Foxconn and contracted Foxconn to build the Endurance for them. They'll need about $150million in additional funding to get to production. Not looking good for them. Foxconn also plans to build the Fisker Pear there.
Hercules Alpha/Nissan Titan: I believe that this is already in production outside the US so it might actually happen
Dodge (Ram or Dakota, not sure): Nothing more than a line drawing hinting at the profile has been revealed. Dodge hasn't made any EVs in any significant quantity ever.
Volkswagon Tarok: VW just announced that they're reviving the International Scout as their EV brand in the US. The press release included an image of the truck that looks suspiciously similar to the R1T from Rivian. Like REALLY similar.

If they plan to sell cars and trucks they'll have to put something out. That's California's deadline requiring all new cars and passenger trucks be zero emission vehicles. That's just 13 years from now.

Hybrid instead with the optional (but only $800) 7.2kW pure sine wave inverter.

I could run my entire home on that during a power outage.

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Has anyone been quoted what it will cost to upgrade your home’s electrical service to accommodate the AC Level 2 (240V/30-70A)? I’d bet it’s many thousands on a 50+ year old house.

I have a 60 year old house and it cost me $1600.

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