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How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 06, 2022 02:05PM
I have two jars of recalled Jiffy peanut butter on my kitchen counter ready to go back to Costco. PB is its own major food group in my house. 7/8 of one jar is already consumed.

Does salmonella live on just one tiny piece of a food or does it contaminate throughout? Am I not sick because I may not have hit on a swab with salmonella or is that entire jar probably Ok cause I'm not dead yet?



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 06, 2022 03:00PM
If you had salmonella, you'd know it. trust me.
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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 06, 2022 03:02PM
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Acer
If you had salmonella, you'd know it. trust me.

of that i have no doubt but does the fact that I don't have it mean the jar i've been eating from is not contaminated?



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 06, 2022 03:08PM
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If you had salmonella, you'd know it. trust me.

of that i have no doubt but does the fact that I don't have it mean the jar i've been eating from is not contaminated?

I don't know. But, better safe than sorry. I would not finish the 7/8, and I would return or throw out both.
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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Diana
Date: June 06, 2022 03:14PM
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If you had salmonella, you'd know it. trust me.

of that i have no doubt but does the fact that I don't have it mean the jar i've been eating from is not contaminated?

Not necessarily. Consider it this way: salmonella is bacterial so it takes time for it to multiply and be found throughout the sample. The manufacturer found salmonella in its "quality control" sample and since they don't know specifically where in the process it entered the line, they have to call the whole lot bad.

If the bug was thin, as in not a lot to begin with, it will take time for it to multiply and you may not have found it yet. Or you may have a jar that really wasn't affected, but out of an abundance of caution was declared as contaminated.

The real question is: Are you willing to risk it?
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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 06, 2022 04:03PM
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Acer
I don't know. But, better safe than sorry. I would not finish the 7/8, and I would return or throw out both.

there's 1/8 left. Diana's post was food for thought, though.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 06, 2022 04:51PM
Costco would win cuz I wouldn't stand in the return line for peanut butter.
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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 06, 2022 05:12PM
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Costco would win cuz I wouldn't stand in the return line for peanut butter.

If you go on a non-busy day there's barely any line at all. and this is $10 worth of PB! they have called and sent a letter about this so if i really wanted to i could probably call and get the refund authorized over the phone. costco knows everything you have ever bought from them. i once had them look up a mattress topper I bought 10 years ago.

returning the peanut butter would be an excuse to go to Costco and possibly the Apple store next door...



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 06, 2022 05:28PM
If you empty the jar then would you even qualify for a refund? Take it back and get a new full jar.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: June 06, 2022 05:38PM
Humans got to where they are partly because their health defenses are decent. People under 5, over 65, or immune compromised are at more danger. I did not find a report of an infection directly linked to a Costco purchase.

Salmonella is one of the eight organisms where a very small number of cells can be a dangerous dose. Salmonella is one of the eight where a very small number of cells can be an infectious dose.

Determining Infectious Doses of Foodborne Illness Agents
https: //www.ift.org/news-and-publications/food-technology-magazine/issues/2021/may/columns/food-safety-and-quality-infectious-doses-of-foodborne-illness



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: rgG
Date: June 06, 2022 06:24PM
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Costco would win cuz I wouldn't stand in the return line for peanut butter.

If you go on a non-busy day there's barely any line at all. and this is $10 worth of PB! they have called and sent a letter about this so if i really wanted to i could probably call and get the refund authorized over the phone. costco knows everything you have ever bought from them. i once had them look up a mattress topper I bought 10 years ago.

returning the peanut butter would be an excuse to go to Costco and possibly the Apple store next door...

You don't even need an excuse, go to Costco and then the Apple Store, you know you want to. grinning smiley





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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 06, 2022 06:45PM
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If you empty the jar then would you even qualify for a refund? Take it back and get a new full jar.

With Costco for a refund on a recall - yes, whether I ate it or not. That's how they roll. What they'll probably do is refund what I paid and then if I want I'll go buy more.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Marc Anthony
Date: June 06, 2022 07:41PM
The typical incubation period—from exposure to developed illness— is 6 or so hours up to three days, but certain types can make you ill 10 or more days later, and you may not normally connect those dots after that timeframe. If you already partook of recalled merchandise, I would save the information from the jar and receipt and get your doctor to perform a culture, should symptoms develop through 10 days. Someone from your local health dept. would likely call you, if you are subsequently diagnosed, and you'd be prepared to give them that pertinent info.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 06, 2022 09:11PM
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Costco would win cuz I wouldn't stand in the return line for peanut butter.

If you go on a non-busy day there's barely any line at all. and this is $10 worth of PB! they have called and sent a letter about this so if i really wanted to i could probably call and get the refund authorized over the phone. costco knows everything you have ever bought from them. i once had them look up a mattress topper I bought 10 years ago.

returning the peanut butter would be an excuse to go to Costco and possibly the Apple store next door...

Your reply should have said "Boy, get'your lazy butt in line Stop being lazy. That pizza isn't going anywhere."
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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: June 06, 2022 10:15PM
See method #8:

[www.youtube.com]



It is what it is.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 06, 2022 10:26PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
See method #8:

[www.youtube.com]

cute though out of date medicine is not lethal just possibly ineffective.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: June 06, 2022 11:03PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
See method #8:

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cute though out of date medicine is not lethal just possibly ineffective.

It's a cartoon, my dude.



It is what it is.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: JoeH
Date: June 07, 2022 09:03AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
See method #8:

[www.youtube.com]

cute though out of date medicine is not lethal just possibly ineffective.

That is usually the case but there are a few medicines that break down into dangerous chemical compounds. Those can make you sick, or worse if enough is taken and there are other medical problems. Examples are the drugs Tetracycline and Cipro and related compounds.
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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 08, 2022 10:29AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
See method #8:

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cute though out of date medicine is not lethal just possibly ineffective.

That is usually the case but there are a few medicines that break down into dangerous chemical compounds. Those can make you sick, or worse if enough is taken and there are other medical problems. Examples are the drugs Tetracycline and Cipro and related compounds.

Just great. I’ve been carrying ciprofloxacin in my travel kit for three years (bought where no prescription for antibiotics was required). But, thanks for the heads-up.



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Re: How does Salmonella work? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: JoeH
Date: June 08, 2022 12:50PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
See method #8:

[www.youtube.com]

cute though out of date medicine is not lethal just possibly ineffective.

That is usually the case but there are a few medicines that break down into dangerous chemical compounds. Those can make you sick, or worse if enough is taken and there are other medical problems. Examples are the drugs Tetracycline and Cipro and related compounds.

Just great. I’ve been carrying ciprofloxacin in my travel kit for three years (bought where no prescription for antibiotics was required). But, thanks for the heads-up.

Cipro is fairly stable, so it may depend a lot on storage conditions of that travel kit. But if it does break down liver damage has been reported, though it is reversible. So probably OK a year or two or three past expiration, but not indefinitely. A somewhat more concerning issue for healthy individuals who take it may be loss of potency or running into bacteria that have developed resistance to overuse and improper use of this antibiotic.
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Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 09, 2022 08:28AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
See method #8:

[www.youtube.com]

cute though out of date medicine is not lethal just possibly ineffective.

That is usually the case but there are a few medicines that break down into dangerous chemical compounds. Those can make you sick, or worse if enough is taken and there are other medical problems. Examples are the drugs Tetracycline and Cipro and related compounds.

Just great. I’ve been carrying ciprofloxacin in my travel kit for three years (bought where no prescription for antibiotics was required). But, thanks for the heads-up.

Cipro is fairly stable, so it may depend a lot on storage conditions of that travel kit. But if it does break down liver damage has been reported, though it is reversible. So probably OK a year or two or three past expiration, but not indefinitely. A somewhat more concerning issue for healthy individuals who take it may be loss of potency or running into bacteria that have developed resistance to overuse and improper use of this antibiotic.

Joe H., thanks for the clarification! The best thing about it expiring is that I never needed to take it.



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