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Car door handle question
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: June 22, 2022 12:22PM
I’m not a car person, have never owned one, but of course I see lots of them every day. Today while waiting for a bus, I saw one with door handles flush with the door itself. There was no way to grip them. I assume this is something you have to get at via a fob. What would be the advantage, though? Just looking cool? I don’t know what brand it was, but the insignia resembled the one at the bottom right. The bus came before I got a picture of the car.





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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: rgG
Date: June 22, 2022 12:29PM
It is a Tesla.
The handle pops out, when you get close.
Is it a feature or not, up to you, lol





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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: TL
Date: June 22, 2022 12:43PM
As RGg said, it’s a Tesla. On the Model X and S, the handles pop out. In the other models (3, Y), it’s a manual handle. The handles pivot -press one side into the car door with your thumb and the other side pops out to to be grasped and pulled by your fingers.
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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 22, 2022 12:59PM
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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: June 22, 2022 01:00PM
It’s more aerodynamic. It’s also more problematic, if you happen to live in a wintery climate and the door handle becomes covered with ice.







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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Tiangou
Date: June 22, 2022 01:04PM
It's not without problems.

What is the procedure for opening a Tesla with a dead battery?

• Get an external 12V jump starter
• Locate the tow eye cover on the front bumper on the driver’s side. The tow cover is usually a large circle. Pop it out by pressing on the uppermost right of the cover till it pushes inside, then pull the cover in your direction.
• Next, you will notice two wires connected to that cover or they will be inside a hole and you will be needed to pull them out slowly.
• Attach the 12V jump starter’s cables to the car’s cables. Start by connecting the jump starter’s red positive cable to your Tesla red positive cable. Next, connect the 12V jump starter’s black negative cable to your car’s black negative cable.
• Employ power using your external jump starter to pop the frunk open.
• After opening the frunk, disconnect the cables. Start with the black and then the red one.
• Attach the wires back to the tow cover and place the tow cover back by placing the wires into the opening and aligning the cover into place, beginning with the bottom left corner first, then pushing it into position.
• Next, remove the large black plastic panel housing the 12V lead-acid battery. In most cases, it is based above the frunk compartment. Besides, no tools are needed to open the housing.
• After opening the frunk, you will see the black cabin intake panel, which is usually located on the driver’s side of the car. This panel can also be removed by pulling the clips upwards.
• Next, you can attach the red positive cable from the jump starter to the red positive terminal on the 12V battery. Additionally, attach the black negative cable from the jump starter to the black negative terminal on the battery.
• Switch on power from the external jump starter
• Give the car battery about 10 minutes. After a short while, the car will power up its computers. Additionally, you will see the touchscreen turn on.
• After powering the car, disconnect the cables. Normally, you should start by disconnecting the black cable and later on, the red cable.
• Return the black panels you had removed earlier by popping them back in position. Ensure the panels are properly aligned before pushing them in place. Handle them with care as they are very fragile.
• At this juncture, you can open the door even if the main traction 400V battery doesn’t have power. The power in the 12V battery is enough to allow you to open the door and other auxiliary systems.
• Lastly, drive to a charging station to charge your car and you should not turn off the car. If you do so, you may get stuck in the car if you have not fully charged it.




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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: June 22, 2022 01:13PM
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It’s more aerodynamic. It’s also more problematic, if you happen to live in a wintery climate and the door handle becomes covered with ice.

Yeah, the electrically-actuated flush door handles fall under the heading of "Unnecessary Geegaws" for me too. Subaru showed the world how to do far simpler fully mechanical flush door handles back in the 1980s with their XT-



But they never caught on for whatever reason, even on other Subarus. As a side note, how many of you had forgotten the XT even existed?



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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: d4
Date: June 22, 2022 01:17PM
Can we go back to manual hand crank windows? old fogey smiley



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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Rolando
Date: June 22, 2022 01:19PM
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But they never caught on for whatever reason, even on other Subarus. As a side note, how many of you had forgotten the XT even existed?

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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: TheTominator
Date: June 22, 2022 01:22PM
It is frustrating when engineers redesign things to be "better" in some way, but don't fully understand and appreciate the reasons why the old design was the way it was. Hint... it's not because someone hadn't already thought of the new design (as Thrift Store Scott illustrated).

Consideration for longevity and failure modes are too undervalued in today's disposable society.

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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: kj
Date: June 22, 2022 01:37PM
I don't know, I've had to replace lots of old-style door handles. It's a really high use/abuse part of a vehicle. I'm sure most of those style door handles belong to Teslas, but there are others that have them (e.g. Kia EV6). I feel like I would have to live with one for awhile to see if they function nicely. Some things are initially annoying but become more efficient when you get accustomed. The mini-learning curve can pay off.
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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 22, 2022 01:45PM
Unnecessary Geegaws - great band.
I'm sure them hidden door handles account for at least .000000001% better MPG, when you're going down hill with the engine off.
You can't have enough dinky little solenoids in a $80k beast with too much gak already.
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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: kj
Date: June 22, 2022 02:54PM
Well frick, anything more than a Lada is an unnecessary gewgaw if you think about it. Every car you've ever posted on this forum is a large unnecessary gewgaw.

edit: And expensive. And probably not that good at it's primary function.



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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 22, 2022 05:15PM
My car has no door handles, I just basically press outward on the in-board side of the door panel. There is a touch sensitive button or two on the door on the inside of that notch. Press the button with your fingers pointing towards the front of the car and the door unlocks and pops open a bit allowing me to pull it open the rest of the way:





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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 22, 2022 06:50PM
Every car you've ever posted on this forum is a large unnecessary gewgaw.


Oh, snap!

And POMTL!

The gee-gaw haters can eat cake for all I care.

And go back to hand crank windows, one less thing to go wrong.

I've always known people, almost always older than I, who love to play the '...one more thing to go wrong card'.

Sure, retracting flush door handles don't add any utility but I still like them.

They're mainly a design cue, as far as I can tell, and I like the design.

But if a manufacturer is going all out for minimum aerodynamic drag, that all out it is.






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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: gadje
Date: June 22, 2022 06:50PM
Lastly, drive to a charging station to charge your car and you should not turn off the car. If you do so, you may get stuck in the car if you have not fully charged it.

How exactly do you drive a Tesla with a dead battery to a charging station?
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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: June 22, 2022 06:58PM
I saw one with door handles flush with the door itself. There was no way to grip them...

It's not just Teslas. Various brands have/had models with 'flush' handles.
Dodge Vipers come to mind and iirc there are some Ferrari & Lambo
models too. Lots of other less exotic models too.



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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 23, 2022 02:40AM
How exactly do you drive a Tesla with a dead battery to a charging station?


Since the premise is that one is driving to a charging station, I'll go out on a limb and posit the battery isn't dead, but lower than fully charged.

So leave the car on and exit or nap.

Can the car be locked when outside it, with it 'on'?

That last bullet point seems in conflict with the one immediately preceding it.






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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: June 23, 2022 04:22AM
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RAMd®d
Every car you've ever posted on this forum is a large unnecessary gewgaw.


Oh, snap!

And POMTL!

The gee-gaw haters can eat cake for all I care.

I have ice cream on hand. May I eat that instead?

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RAMd®d
And go back to hand crank windows, one less thing to go wrong.

I actually prefer hand crank windows, especially on smaller cars where it isn't that hard to reach the passenger side crank.

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RAMd®d
I've always known people, almost always older than I, who love to play the '...one more thing to go wrong card'.

I was sired and raised by one of those of the highest order, one who to this day still says you shouldn't buy a car with power steering, power brakes, or automatic transmission because "They haven't worked all the bugs out of those systems yet". If he had been born just a few years earlier he'd probably be saying how cars are just a fad and how "The horseless carriage will never replace the horse!". Next to him I'm a shameless progressive tech junkie, so cut me some slack. I'm actively working against genetics here.

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Sure, retracting flush door handles don't add any utility but I still like them.

They're mainly a design cue, as far as I can tell, and I like the design.

But if a manufacturer is going all out for minimum aerodynamic drag, that all out it is.

Fair enough.



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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: kj
Date: June 23, 2022 03:47PM
Geegaws can go too far, but a lot of people are retro-grouches, too. Sorry, I didn't mean to be...mean.



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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: June 24, 2022 07:37PM
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My car has no door handles, I just basically press outward on the in-board side of the door panel. There is a touch sensitive button or two on the door on the inside of that notch. Press the button with your fingers pointing towards the front of the car and the door unlocks and pops open a bit allowing me to pull it open the rest of the way:


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Re: Car door handle question
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 24, 2022 11:25PM
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My car has no door handles, I just basically press outward on the in-board side of the door panel. There is a touch sensitive button or two on the door on the inside of that notch. Press the button with your fingers pointing towards the front of the car and the door unlocks and pops open a bit allowing me to pull it open the rest of the way:


You’ve got yourself a collector’s item there; only produced for 29 months, only 2,697 sold in the U.S.
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