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A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Todd's keyboard
Date: July 14, 2022 03:42PM
Folks,

Decades ago, I spent a short vacation traveling to the south of France and walking through the cemetery of the town of Pont St. Esprit (The Bridge of the Holy Spirit). More than once, I was brought to tears reading inscriptions on the tombstones. Striking was how many noted the early passing of so many babies and children. One poignant example was "Notre petit ange" (Our little angel) describing a poor soul who had lived only three months.

Saturday, I was part of a group that buried the ashes of my brother-in-law on a small island off the west coast of Canada. This time, I was struck by the lack of memorials to infants. All of the inscriptions I saw were for adults.

In the midst of sadness, I had to smile at the progress that science, health, and technology have made in reducing child mortality.

While not being sure whom to thank, thank you.

Todd's bug-free keyboard
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 14, 2022 03:57PM
There is a cemetery by my parents house. It has a section called "Babyland" and there are Infant memorials/graves dating back 60 years.

Including my Niece's, 14 years ago.



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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 14, 2022 04:16PM
Losing a child was dreadfully common until the 20th century, even for the wealthy. Any biography of a famous person from then and before seems to mention at least one child death. We dare not take this for granted.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 14, 2022 04:33PM
My aunt died as an infant in 1920 (she smothered in her blankets in my grandparents’ Model T on a trip to town during a cold northern Minnesota winter’s day). It was always poignant going to burials and seeing her headstone and thinking about what could have been. It would choke my grandfather up to speak of her right up until the day he died in 1988.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: July 14, 2022 04:39PM
Logic tells us that infant mortality is down and that we've done a lot to achieve this. The question is, are deceased infants still being buried? Decades ago, virtually everyone was buried. Now, burial is not as common and is probably becoming uncommon.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: raz
Date: July 14, 2022 04:56PM
I did the genealogy thing a few years back. The death rate of infants among my peasant ancestors was about 1/3.

The weird part was that they would reuse names.



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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: July 14, 2022 05:10PM
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Speedy
My aunt died as an infant in 1920 (she smothered in her blankets in my grandparents’ Model T on a trip to town during a cold northern Minnesota winter’s day). It was always poignant going to burials and seeing her headstone and thinking about what could have been. It would choke my grandfather up to speak of her right up until the day he died in 1988.

I can’t imagine how your grandfather felt about that, so sorry he had to.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: July 14, 2022 05:28PM
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raz
I did the genealogy thing a few years back. The death rate of infants among my peasant ancestors was about 1/3.

The weird part was that they would reuse names.

The Oldest Person, and later the Oldest Man from the early 1980s thru sometime in the 2000s (from Guinness Book) was really not the oldest because it was later determined that his parents re-used his older brother's name for him after older brother died very young. There are census records and the name matches, but they re-used the name which muddied things...for 140 years.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 14, 2022 06:44PM
An uncle died in the 1930s, my father's older brother. My father was about 6 at the time, and ended up an only child. I can see some of the effects it had on him. That and other family problems also resulted in him being sent to live with an aunt and uncle in the Boston area for a while. I am not certain how long he stayed there, long enough to go to school there with his cousins. After that he did go home and live with my grandparents to grow up in St Louis.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 14, 2022 08:15PM
Little Boy Blue (1888)
eugene field

The little toy dog is covered with dust,
But sturdy and staunch he stands;
And the little toy soldier is red with rust,
And his musket molds in his hands.
Time was when the little toy dog was new,
And the soldier was passing fair;
And that was the time when our Little Boy Blue
Kissed them and put them there.

"Now, don't you go till I come," he said,
"And don't you make any noise!"
So, toddling off to his trundle-bed,
He dreamed of the pretty toys;
And, as he was dreaming, an angel song
Awakened our Little Boy Blue
Oh! the years are many, the years are long,
But the little toy friends are true!

Ay, faithful to Little Boy Blue they stand,
Each in the same old place
Awaiting the touch of a little hand,
The smile of a little face;
And they wonder, as waiting the long years through
In the dust of that little chair,
What has become of our Little Boy Blue,
Since he kissed them and put them there.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Janit
Date: July 15, 2022 04:37PM
While doing genealogy research, I have run across many death certificates of infants where the cause of death was marasmus/ failure to thrive. I can't help but think that some of these babies would have been helped by the specialized baby formulas that have lately been in short supply.

One of my great-nieces (now nearly four years old) was completely dependent on one of these formulas for her first year.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 15, 2022 08:23PM
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Janit
While doing genealogy research, I have run across many death certificates of infants where the cause of death was marasmus/ failure to thrive. I can't help but think that some of these babies would have been helped by the specialized baby formulas that have lately been in short supply.

One of my great-nieces (now nearly four years old) was completely dependent on one of these formulas for her first year.

Our daughter was, too: Similac PM 60/40 Low-Iron Infant Formula. It was a bit more expensive than other formula but was prescribed by her doctor and covered by insurance!!



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: A personal story that leads to thoughts on the effectiveness of vaccines and medicines
Posted by: Todd's keyboard
Date: July 16, 2022 09:40AM
A product I love—that I've never needed or tried—is Plumpy'Nut®.

From the web site (above):

"With the creation of ready-to-use therapeutic food -Plumpy Nut®—a high-energy, micronutrient enhanced paste used to treat children under age five who are affected by severe acute malnutrition—treatment has changed dramatically."

Plumpy'Nut® does not require refrigeration. My understanding is that, in many cases, it can also be made regionally and does not need to be shipped long distances.

T's kb
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