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News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: btfc
Date: August 04, 2022 09:55AM
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: mattkime
Date: August 04, 2022 10:07AM
As expected.



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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: rz
Date: August 04, 2022 10:14AM
Didn't she already plead guilty?
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: August 04, 2022 10:17AM
Prosecutors are requesting a nine and a half year sentence.

This better be just the prelude to diplomatic hocus pocus.



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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: JoeH
Date: August 04, 2022 10:17AM
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Didn't she already plead guilty?

Yes, but Russian laws still require a trial and evidence be presented. Whether that evidence is genuine or planted is another matter, and usually not questioned. Conviction rate in cases is 90% or higher in Russian courts.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: DP
Date: August 04, 2022 10:34AM
That's OK. If they're going to do a deal then Putin has to make it a magnanimous gesture on his part.

"See! I'm really a nice guy to let her go, especially after her truly heinous crime!"





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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: Rolando
Date: August 04, 2022 10:36AM
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Yes, but Russian laws still require a trial and evidence be presented. Whether that evidence is genuine or planted is another matter, and usually not questioned. Conviction rate in cases is 90% or higher in Russian courts.

So much better than US Courts, right? 95% Conviction rates here.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: August 04, 2022 11:09AM
I'm not sure that getting conviction rates from a criminal defense lawyer's website is the most accurate source.

Wikipedia cites the The Bureau of Justice Statistics (part of the USDOJ), summarizing here:

"In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%)."

Felony only, not misdeameanors, though.



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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: hal
Date: August 04, 2022 02:31PM
As pointed out by russian born us reporter Julia Ioffe, Griner has a very difficult road ahead.

She is very tall, black, gay and american - not likely to have an easy time of it.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 04, 2022 03:21PM
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.



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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: hal
Date: August 04, 2022 04:31PM
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Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time go to Russia.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 04, 2022 05:35PM
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Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time go to Russia.

She was apparently playing in one of their leagues.



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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: gadje
Date: August 04, 2022 06:56PM
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Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time go to Russia.

She was apparently playing in one of their leagues.

That's my understanding as well, they get paid big money in Russia and very little in US. How is that even possible?
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: freeradical
Date: August 04, 2022 07:25PM
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Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time go to Russia.

She was apparently playing in one of their leagues.

That's my understanding as well, they get paid big money in Russia and very little in US. How is that even possible?

I have never even watched a game of men's basketball on TV. I obviously wouldn't even dream of watching a game of women's basketball. If precious few people are watching something, where does the money for the salaries come from?



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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: vision63
Date: August 04, 2022 08:03PM
She's simply a political pawn. She will be released but justice will pay a heavy price. I absolutely feel badly for her.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: rz
Date: August 04, 2022 08:23PM
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I have never even watched a game of men's basketball on TV. I obviously wouldn't even dream of watching a game of women's basketball.

Wow, that sounds pretty sexist. I don't watch basketball either, but I wouldn't say "I wouldn't even dream of watching a game of women's basketball." While I haven't watched a full game, I have seen some. In some ways, the women's games are more interesting than the men's.

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If precious few people are watching something, where does the money for the salaries come from?

The NBA does subsidize the WNBA. But their attendance numbers are going up.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 05, 2022 01:54PM
I obviously wouldn't even dream of watching a game of women's basketball.


That reminds me of somebody saying they wouldn't trust a woman news anchor.

I don't watch b-ball on my own, but visiting friends, I've seen a few WNBA games, and I have to say I prefer it over NBA stuff, 99% of the time.

But my data points are so few, I still don't go out of my way to watch b-ball.






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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: dk62
Date: August 05, 2022 06:01PM
In all honesty, she did engage in illegal behavior - illegal both here (federally) and in Russia. How does DHS deal with small quantities of marijuana smuggled into the country? A smile and a slap on the wrist? Probably not. It does not help Biden's credibility to claim "wrongful detention."

On the other hand, is the sentence ridiculously severe? It is, in our eyes at least (I have no idea where it sits in Russian law, or how it compares to similar cases there). And yes, she will be the pawn in the political games.
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Re: News Flash: Griner found Guilty
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 05, 2022 11:05PM
And yes, she will be the pawn in the political games.


She already is.

Pootie has already allowed a mention of a potential prisoner swap.



In all honesty, she did engage in illegal behavior - illegal both here (federally) and in Russia.


Agreed.

At one point, I'd have had no sympathy for someone caught with illegal drugs in a foreign country.

Over the years, that's changed somewhat.

I don't know if our prisons are any 'better'; they certainly lack in rehabilitation structure.

But at least she could have family close by, speak the same language, and maybe be able to read the room as it were, far better than in a Russian or other foreign prison.

So, I do feel bas for her, even though it was her own actions that got her where she is.






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