….fish oil, garlic, cinnamon, turmeric, plant sterols, red yeast rice….


…….according to study……these 6 don’t work……?!

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

lemme edit that for clarity:

what’s ‘sup?!….study shows 6 dietary supplements for heart health don’t work….

once they are actually scientifically tested.

Sure, if you're taking a supplement for low vitamin/mineral levels that's great and necessary, but if you're not deficient then it's just giving your money away.

Well, it depends....

The real problem, from my perspective, is the lack of QC and regulation. Red rice yeast can work, but many of the brands don't contain enough of the active ingredients, or have actual statins added in!

For myself, my doc prescribed some supplements for ADHD, and they've worked amazingly well.

And this board-certified cardiologis recommends some supplements in certain circumstances, for cardiac issues: [www.amazon.com]

YMMV.

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lemme edit that for clarity:

what’s ‘sup?!….study shows 6 dietary supplements for heart health don’t work….

once they are actually scientifically tested.

Sure, if you're taking a supplement for low vitamin/mineral levels that's great and necessary, but if you're not deficient then it's just giving your money away.

Oh, one more thing. That study, which I read, is addressing one marker (LDC, if I remember correctly). And it's an important marker.

And there could be other pathways those supplements are working through. I'd be interested in seeing data on cardiac events, all-cause mortality, etc. But I think the study was too short-term for any reliable data on those.

I am a supplement skeptic. There are only a handful of examples that work - like vitamin C to avoid scurvy,

Daily vitamins do not help except for a couple components that DO help a bit.

Fish oil is being debunked study after study at this point for example.



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The brain-health supplements are said to be equally useless.

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I read the journal article and I wasn't particularly impressed. First, it was single-blind rather than double-blind, second it involved 190 people split into 7 groups, and third it went on for only 28 days.

The research was presented at the American Heart Associations Scientific Sessions conference and simultaneously published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology. I don't know about this academic area, but in mine, when we present a paper at a conference and it is simultaneously published as conference proceedings it has not been peer-reviewed. Before the paper is accepted for the conference presentation the abstract is reviewed by conference organizers but it is not classically peer-reviewed. Maybe this study was but it sure seems like a low-n, short time-frame study on supplements has some real limitations.

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And there could be other pathways those supplements are working through. I'd be interested in seeing data on cardiac events, all-cause mortality, etc. But I think the study was too short-term for any reliable data on those.

And that's the problem. Supplements are not tested. At all. Thanks to the 1994 DSHEA Act. Yet they can claim whatever they want as long as they don't specifically say they are to cure or prevent something.

Got a good tagline that'll sell? Claim it! You're free to do so on your supplement packaging.

That's why supplements are bogus except for treating a specific deficiency for the exact vit/min you're missing.

Nothing is tested, everything is claimed.

related is that the EPA in fish oil has been shown to have positive impacts on depression symptoms and if I remember correctly, has shown to help SSRI's work better

source (at least for the first claim): [www.tandfonline.com]

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related is that the EPA in fish oil has been shown to have positive impacts on depression symptoms and if I remember correctly, has shown to help SSRI's work better

source (at least for the first claim): [www.tandfonline.com]

Great to see sources cited! That paper is from 2013, and I think the jury is still out whether fish oil supplements help at all. Eating fish as a reticular part of your diet seems to correlate with good heart health however.

I also think all of these claims, even if true, are dwarfed by any of the many positive effects of a healthier diet and regulate exercise.

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related is that the EPA in fish oil has been shown to have positive impacts on depression symptoms and if I remember correctly, has shown to help SSRI's work better

source (at least for the first claim): [www.tandfonline.com]

Great to see sources cited! That paper is from 2013, and I think the jury is still out whether fish oil supplements help at all. Eating fish as a reticular part of your diet seems to correlate with good heart health however.

I also think all of these claims, even if true, are dwarfed by any of the many positive effects of a healthier diet and regulate exercise.

I think the part about depression and meds has been replicated. I think Huberman talked about it in his depression episode.

As far as heart health, it does raise HDL but, funny story, a high HDL doesn't mean squat. It was always thought to be heart protective but apparently not. The whole "correlation does not mean causation" thing...

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