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B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: steve...
Date: November 12, 2022 03:22PM
Looking at the video, doesn't look like anyone could have survived.

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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: November 12, 2022 03:53PM
sad smiley
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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: JoeM
Date: November 12, 2022 04:23PM
That is so horrible and sad.



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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: steve...
Date: November 12, 2022 04:39PM
Found a photo of a Bell P-63 Kingcobra (this might be the actual plane involved).


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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: November 12, 2022 06:33PM
6 killed.

So sad



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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: lost in space
Date: November 12, 2022 07:56PM
Too many crashes at airshows.



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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: davester
Date: November 12, 2022 07:58PM
That's pretty rough. Airshows seem to be fairly frequent accident scenes. They bring together a large number of unrelated pilots flying aircraft that may or may not be up to snuff with regards to modern safety standards. A couple of months ago I went to the Reno Air Races, where the jet race had a fatality, including a spectacular fireball crash that killed one of the pilots, apparently due to the pilot blacking out due to a high-G maneuver to attempt to maintain the lead. I'm not sure that there's anything to be done about this. High performance racing of any kind and flying aircraft built before modern safety standards creates risk, and the consequences of a mistake are dire.



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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: Rolando
Date: November 12, 2022 08:45PM
I just saw this. I guess we should be thankful no one on the ground was killed (as far as I know).



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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: November 12, 2022 10:07PM
This may change these old war bird operations drastically.
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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 13, 2022 12:26AM
It appears the B-17 had a total blind spot that would prevent the pilot from ever ever seeing much less taking evasive action to avoid the Bell.
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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: JoeH
Date: November 13, 2022 12:43AM
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It appears the B-17 had a total blind spot that would prevent the pilot from ever ever seeing much less taking evasive action to avoid the Bell.

The other plane was coming in from the side and behind the B-17, and was in a turn from the short section I could see on the posted videos. Not so much a blind spot as the other plane flew right into the B-17 as if the pilot didn't see it in their path.
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Re: B-17 and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collide at Dallas Air Show
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: November 13, 2022 02:19AM
Right, the P-39 was in a left turning bank, with a low wing, which obscured his view of the B-17. This is a very common cause for aircraft collisions. It particularly occurs when one plane is on a straight final to land, and the other is on turning onto final (from a base leg), and the turning plane is a low wing.
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